'God alone' saved me, says Donald Trump
www.telegraph.co.uk
Donald Trump has said “God alone” saved his life from an assassination attempt, as he called Americans to unite against political violence.

Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.

  • TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
    2395·
    4 个月前

    Guess some of those 2nd Ammendment guys might be “trying to do something about it” eh Donnie?

    This is what you get when you preach hate 24/7. This isn’t a gameshow.

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19116·
    4 个月前

    Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.

    It’s depressing as fuck.

    • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      545·
      4 个月前

      Q-Anon level thinking that somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.

      Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s even been a good actor.

      • Zess@lemmy.world
        302·
        4 个月前

        Trump isn’t even the mastermind of his own bowel movements. If this was staged it was all planned by his Russian handlers.

      • pivot_root@lemmy.world
        193·
        4 个月前

        It’s fun to indulge in, and it doesn’t change the fact that shit is about to hit the fan, regardless of whether the shooter was someone with a legitimate desire or a paid gunman. Trump was just given and used a golden ticket to both rally republicans to vote for him, and to incite his diehard followers into another insurrection.

        • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          134·
          4 个月前

          Sure, but I don’t think being an ironic conspiracy theorist on the levels of Q-Anon is going to make anyone seem better.

          Trump was already going to do that. Trump would do it if someone sneezed on him. They already considered him a martyr. They already wanted/have an Enabling Act. The only thing this changes is a bit less blood in him, and 3 people died. Trump already had higher polling numbers.

          Fascism is here. Get ready.

          • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
            42·
            4 个月前

            I’d imagine that there are a lot of rather confused individuals in a number of countries, and when tempers run high around politics…shrugs

            I don’t know if the US would be particularly bad. Would need to have some kind of way to quantify that.

      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
        41·
        4 个月前

        A “false flag assassination attempt” is not as hard to rig if you know it won’t be properly investigated.

      • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
        97·
        4 个月前

        It doesn’t take a mastermind. Dictators faking assassination attempts to garner support isn’t new.

        • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          125·
          4 个月前

          “All right ear me big sniper guy, it’s going to be an attempted assassination, the biggest ever, you are going to shoot me close, like danger close but don’t worry I’m the best president, really I’m the best and you are the best sniper, the best sniper in the whole country. So you shoot me near the ear, near enough that blood comes out, I know scary stuff, but we are tough guys, the toughest so you do it and I resist and together we make the best attempted staged assassination ever”

          • Shamelessly stolen from a blog
        • ABCDE@lemmy.world
          42·
          4 个月前

          Your gullibility making you believe a conspiracy theory over your own eyes.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      3713·
      4 个月前

      What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That’s how low we have sunk.

      • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
        215·
        4 个月前

        It isn’t though. There is maybe a 0.01% chance that this was a false flag.

        I know what’s happening is hard to swallow, and the ramifications are deeply troubling, but try not to succumb to baseless conspiracy theories.

        There’s plenty of motive. An attendee was killed. The shooter was killed by Secret Service. There’s not really a reason to think this didn’t actually happen, except for cognitive dissonance.

        • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
          31·
          4 个月前

          0.01% chance based on what?

          I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn’t really line up with Trump’s character to be posing for the cameras if he’s actually being shot at. Though tou’re not wrong to say, that that isn’t proof of anything. It’s subjective feeling.

          But, I think saying it’s entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn’t right either.

          • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
            32·
            4 个月前

            Well, a conspiracy requires evidence, and without evidence there’s no reason to treat the conspiracy theory as credible.

            Saying 0% would be unrealistic because there’s always a chance, but if you actually believe that this is a 50/50 toss-up, you’re just delusional and desperate to feel some sense of enlightenment like every other conspiracy theorist moron in the world.

            Given that there is precisely zero evidence of what you are claiming, I’ll estimate as close to zero as I can without pretending it’s impossible.

            But make no mistake, you are deliberately spreading disinformation.

            • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
              2·
              4 个月前

              I’m not claiming anything. It’s just really, really early after the event.

              My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.

              I’m just saying being unsure of what happened isn’t crazy so soon after the event.

              You’re out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.

              It’s simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).

              I am not saying this was staged. I’m saying you’re jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn’t.

          • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
            175·
            4 个月前

            Your point is that you think you’re allowed to spread misinformation if that misinformation sounds like it maybe could be true. This is the rationale of every conspiracy theorist ever. You’re not making an intellectually honest point here.

            If your point is that you’re a dishonest person who cares more about narrative than facts, point received.

    • fxt_ryknow@lemmy.world
      1711·
      4 个月前

      On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…

      • Stovetop@lemmy.world
        173·
        4 个月前

        Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.

        Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.

        • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          4 个月前

          Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.

        • SeaJ@lemm.ee
          33·
          4 个月前

          Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.

    • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
      12·
      4 个月前

      What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.

    • mrmanager@lemmy.today
      58·
      4 个月前

      But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.

      In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.

      • iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
        4·
        4 个月前

        My understanding is that on average there are differences in psychology between conservative and progressive people. For example, conservative people tend to be okay with unfairness, since from their point of view society is a hierarchy and of course the people at the top are better off.

        Anyway, given that conservative and progressive people have a different vision of an ideal society and also different ideas about how to get there, it is reasonable to expect them at act differently. We know that most politically motivated violence is from the right.

        • mrmanager@lemmy.today
          32·
          4 个月前

          I’m sure conservatives have the same views on the other side, something negative, based in fear. If you think about it, all of politics is fear of change in a direction we don’t want, but others do.

          In a family when this happens, family members talk about it and try to understand eachother. At least in a good family. In a dysfunctional one, family members go to war with eachother. And that’s what I see in politics. There is no feeling of being humans on a ball together at all.

      • PythagreousTitties@lemm.eeEnglish
        283·
        4 个月前

        “blue maga” implies that there is a cult of personality around Biden like there is around Trump. That is simple not what anyone opposed to Trump believes in or rallies around.

        • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
          717·
          4 个月前

          Funny, because people used that term to describe the “vote blue no matter who” people well before Biden was ever a serious contender in the primaries…

          • PythagreousTitties@lemm.eeEnglish
            31·
            4 个月前

            You mean the primarys for this election that Biden is the sitting president? Or primarys four years ago when he was the guy pushed immediately to the top before the primarys?

      • ABCDE@lemmy.world
        21·
        4 个月前

        Based on what? Neither of you know who they support or which way they lean.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    1708·
    4 个月前

    Mr Trump could be seen ducking for cover behind the lectern.

    I like attempted assassination victims that don’t duck for cover.

    • ameancow@lemmy.world
      261·
      4 个月前

      I wonder how much we’re going to hear about the poor person who got shot in the head right behind him, or if they’re just incidental margin notes in history, overshadowed by the big WWE media theater that is Trump. Reports are saying at least two crowd members have died.

      edit: the family of the victim has given an update that Trump hasn’t even attempted to reach out to them. And also, the guy was an avid nutcase, nazi and racist. The world won’t be worse-off, we can sleep easy.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        301·
        4 个月前

        Oh Trump will absolutely bring them up at every single rally to froth up the crowd. Because he may be the martyr they care about the most, but the martyrs who actually died will be great ammunition (I can’t think of a more appropriate word, sorry) to rile up the crowd.

        • pivot_root@lemmy.world
          123·
          4 个月前

          That is assuming there is another rally, and today’s incident wasn’t just the catalyst for a Jan 6 sequel. Knowing his supporters, I’m not holding my breath, unfortunately.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            141·
            4 个月前

            Considering the number of people here claiming this was Trump staging a false flag, I am absolutely certain there are a similarly large number of people on the right saying this was Biden trying to assassinate Trump and something must be done. So I hope not.

            • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              4 个月前

              Republicans have blamed Joe Biden for the attempted assassination tonight, accusing the president of whipping up opposition to Donald Trump.

              JD Vance, who is one of the frontrunners to be Trump’s running mate, said: “Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.”

              “That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination,” he added.

              Mike Collins, a Republican congressman from Georgia, said: “The Republican District Attorney in Butler County, PA, should immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”

              He also tweeted that Mr Biden “sent the orders”.

              • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                4 个月前

                Prosecuting the president for stochastic terrorism? That’s a precedent they really don’t want to set with Trump as their candidate.

                That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.

                • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
                  3·
                  4 个月前

                  That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.

                  They won’t. The Supreme Court already determined that.

              • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                4 个月前

                All I’m hearing is that they think Biden told the truth and used the power the Heritage Foundation SCOTUS explicitly gave him, and now they’re inexplicably butthurt about it.

            • pivot_root@lemmy.world
              42·
              4 个月前

              Unfortunately, the number is likely going to be a lot higher.

              I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy. For us Lemmings, there’s no emotional stake in these events, whereas his supporters will be angered over anyone even attempting to kill their fascist idol…

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                72·
                4 个月前

                I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy.

                I’m not sure of that at all, especially when emotions are running high.

                I’m not absolutely discounting the possibility they they somehow found some schlub to die in a fake assassination attempt, but I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.

                • pivot_root@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  4 个月前

                  I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.

                  Respect for that. It’s a reasonable and rational response to today’s series of events, despite the temptations of role-playing as a conspiracy theorist to escape from having to think about the hypothetical consequences of said events.

      • Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        31·
        4 个月前

        They chose to go to a rally to support a man who wants to be a “dictator on day one” they made their choice.

  • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1212·
    4 个月前

    Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.

      • finkrat@lemmy.world
        211·
        4 个月前

        Would absolutely not care about Trump. Would absolutely care about the incensed conservative mob with minimal brain cells, rage and guns starting shit

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          91·
          4 个月前

          Their rage is mostly impotent. When push comes to shove, I think the vast majority of them will stay home and continue posting on Truth Social.

            • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
              81·
              4 个月前

              That was the best they had from all around the country. Mostly thieves and vandals, stealing a laptop and a podium, smearing shit on the walls. Very few actually prepared for violence. If shit went down nationwide, those few violent ones would not be together in one place, so they’d pose far less of a threat.

        • Buffalox@lemmy.world
          51·
          4 个月前

          Unless there is someone to direct that rage, they’ll have no idea what to do with it, or where to direct it.

          • finkrat@lemmy.world
            21·
            4 个月前

            There will always be people that direct that rage, Trump is a cult leader but he’s not the only influencer

            • le cat@lemm.eeEnglish
              21·
              4 个月前

              trump is a fortuitous puppet. he ran for president in the past too, but he didn’t win because the times weren’t right for it.

    • Drusas@kbin.run
      283·
      4 个月前

      That’s called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.

      • pivot_root@lemmy.world
        142·
        4 个月前

        Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.

        Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.

        • ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world
          21·
          4 个月前

          there’s also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward

        • Valmond@lemmy.world
          1·
          4 个月前

          No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.

          Could also have been a real shooter.

        • IzzyScissor@lemmy.world
          21·
          4 个月前

          Would he be told about this plan? It’d certainly be more convincing if he didn’t know, and was set up by the RNC.

        • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
          11·
          4 个月前

          Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.

          But you’re assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.

          No one is ducking a bullet

    • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
      2912·
      4 个月前

      Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.

    • pivot_root@lemmy.world
      134·
      4 个月前

      From the article:

      Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.

      Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.

      An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.

    • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      4 个月前

      Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don’t know if I really think that, but I would say it’s possible.

  • corus_kt@lemmy.world
    558·
    4 个月前

    This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.

  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
    473·
    4 个月前

    if bolsonaro is any indication, this is just turning him into a martyr.

    really terrible job by whoever tried it.