• Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    It is obvious to anyone that is objectively evaluating the data that Joe Biden has no pathway to victory in this election.

    538 puts his chances above Trump’s. The Keys to the White House puts Joe Biden as favored to win (at least, that’s the expected prediction). I have yet to find a single poll that puts Biden below Trump by more than the margin of Error unless that poll shows 18 to 20-somethings largely voting for Trump, which suggests a sampling bias. Donald Trump already lost to Joe Biden, and since then he attempted an insurrection. Pair the previous fact with the data suggesting Trump didn’t get the expected boost from the assassination attempt, and you reach the inevitable conclusion that America probably hates Trump.

    Each individual datum I presented defies your conclusion, so I’m given to wonder why you have such confidence that it’s not just unlikely but impossible not only for Biden to win but for a reasonable person to disagree? What outstanding evidence do you have that would allow you to reasonably reach this strongest of all conclusions?

    Edit: for those of you having trouble reading, I’m criticizing this person claiming that everyone who disagrees is unreasonable.

    • Hugin@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      538 is not what it was. Nate Silver left and took the model with him. The current 538 model is new and untested. The old 538 model has Biden at 26%.

      • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        4 months ago

        Good to know, thank you! My point about the other person’s degrees of certainty remains; it’s absolutely asinine to say that you know for sure and everyone who disagrees with you is unreasonable when the supporting data is that shaky.

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      4 months ago

      A. That’s a bald faced lie. 538 shows 50/50ish odds right now because it’s heavily weighted to do so until after the conventions.

      B. Polling in Pennsylvania, the only swing state Trump needs to win, is disastrous for Biden.

      C. The bullet bump is hitting now. Polling is always delayed, the news stories breathlessly published the day after were nothing but click bait.

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      4 months ago

      None of these models take into account the issue that an 81-year old cannot campaign as effectively as a younger person. It’s very unlikely that Biden can turn the tide in his favour through a great debate performance or speech. The best Campaign he can run is by hiding such that voters do not see how old and fragile he is. That’s not our best bet for beating Trump.

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      4 months ago

      538 puts his chances above Trump’s.

      And they have an amazing track record in predicting who can beat Trump.

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      4 months ago

      ^ I see. This guy’s comments get to stay, but someone here wants to suppress or censor my opinion which was widely supported by the community. Makes sense…