yeah Im not expecting most dems to be hard enough on Israel. But Shapiro in particular was apparently saying cops werent cracking down hard enough on American college protestors.
Kelly is doing his best to be a weird shade of purple because he’s representing a state with some seriously weird dynamics, Arizona. He ran on being common sense biased towards working people. And he hasn’t done a horrible job of that. His voting record is certainly far from “barely Democrat”. Progressive punch lists him solidly in the middle of the pack for the Democrats,(30/50).
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of Kelly boosters on here but that oil stance is a non-starter for me. Shapiro and Cooper seem alright, I guess. Bunch of centrist whatevers.
Mark Kelly isn’t in the pocket of Oil. Their interests aligned for a minute and everyone has run with it like he’s heavily invested in fossil fuels. This was the same time we were banning Russian oil imports, and greedflation in the shipping sector was driving prices through the roof. So he was looking for mid term solutions to patch that. Long term he’s always been supportive of solar and BEVs.
Those look like purple state choices, perhaps to swing those states or speak to similar states. But yeah if you put up purple state candidates you’re going to get people who can win purple states and they aren’t going to be super progressive.
Put up progressives from blue states and risk swinging purple states red. I don’t know the solution. Some forward momentum would be nice, but I’ll settle for whatever keeps Trump out of office for now.
Working class Democrats like Sherrod Brown (D-OH) do very well in most of the swing states. The problem is that there are very few of them running in the swing states.
Because when the alternative sets us back 50 years, standing still doesn’t look so bad. The challenge is moving the Overton window leftward and I don’t know how we do that, but I’m all ears.
Shapiro and Kelly are both gross, Shapiro for being staunchly pro-genocide, and Kelly for teaming up with Manchin to promote oil drilling.
Cant find much info on Coopers political positions, which is its own problem.
Seems their trying to go as centrist, barely democrat as they can.
So I tried to do some digging on Cooper just now, and as far as Palestinian genocide goes it seems like a little bit after October 7 he put out a statement a one sided statement for Israel, a group of progressives called him out for that, he met with them, and he’s since put out statements calling on Israel and Hamas to stop killing civilians (fair warning, that last link is to a dumbass op-ed writer who’s big mad that Cooper acknowledged Palestinian civilian deaths). He isn’t exactly Rashida Tlaib, but he’s better than Kathy Hochul.
yeah Im not expecting most dems to be hard enough on Israel. But Shapiro in particular was apparently saying cops werent cracking down hard enough on American college protestors.
Kelly is doing his best to be a weird shade of purple because he’s representing a state with some seriously weird dynamics, Arizona. He ran on being common sense biased towards working people. And he hasn’t done a horrible job of that. His voting record is certainly far from “barely Democrat”. Progressive punch lists him solidly in the middle of the pack for the Democrats,(30/50).
And that makes him gross
Accurately representing his constituency makes him gross? Who are you waiting for, Jesus?
I mean trump is pretty gross too
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of Kelly boosters on here but that oil stance is a non-starter for me. Shapiro and Cooper seem alright, I guess. Bunch of centrist whatevers.
Mark Kelly isn’t in the pocket of Oil. Their interests aligned for a minute and everyone has run with it like he’s heavily invested in fossil fuels. This was the same time we were banning Russian oil imports, and greedflation in the shipping sector was driving prices through the roof. So he was looking for mid term solutions to patch that. Long term he’s always been supportive of solar and BEVs.
which is what they always do
might as well call it what it is Republicans versus Centrist
really fucked this election
already forget about women’s rights, worker’s rights/pay, police reform, and basically everything the “Democrats” supposedly stand for
another four years of stagnation
Those look like purple state choices, perhaps to swing those states or speak to similar states. But yeah if you put up purple state candidates you’re going to get people who can win purple states and they aren’t going to be super progressive.
Put up progressives from blue states and risk swinging purple states red. I don’t know the solution. Some forward momentum would be nice, but I’ll settle for whatever keeps Trump out of office for now.
Working class Democrats like Sherrod Brown (D-OH) do very well in most of the swing states. The problem is that there are very few of them running in the swing states.
Just be more republican to win republican votes.
Wait why do we want the democrats to win again?
Because when the alternative sets us back 50 years, standing still doesn’t look so bad. The challenge is moving the Overton window leftward and I don’t know how we do that, but I’m all ears.
If you want the current left to be recognized as centrist, then you need to vote until it becomes the norm, so that a new left can develop.
I need a left option to vote for
Absolutely. The way forward is to move the Overton window until the current left is the new right.
…and understand that it might take a lifetime.
Nothing handicaps genuine progress quite like impatience.