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    Nah, this is the right amount of spice. We should back Harris, but we need to stay self-aware. Don’t want to end up like the Republicans.

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    To be fair, the ACAB group didn’t choose a cop/prosecutor… A cop/prosecutor was non-consensually forced on us.

    The back the blue crowd actively chose a felon though.

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      Even then, as a former cop state procecutor and district attorney/AG, positions which are well known to have an extensive supportive connection with police and cops that everyone knows operate in lockstep and are functionally 2 sides of the same coin, her voting record has been surprisingly comparatively progressive/left wing sometimes on par with Bernie.

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        She was also progressive as a DA too. She ran on the promise to never seek the death penalty, and she never did. She had a record number of cannabis prosecutions, but a substantially lower number of incarcerations for cannabia.

        Her mother is an Indian American doctor, and her father is an Afro-Jamacain American professor of economics. She’s lived in the East Coast, Chicago, California.

        She’s progressive. She plays by the rules but she’s progressive.

        We won’t be disappointed.

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          Got a source for the lower number of incarcerations. I’ve been warming up to the idea of voting for Harris instead of against Trump and that would be another + for her.

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          I’m voting for her, and I think everyone else should too, but her record as DA isn’t all sunshine and roses.

          Yes, this is a 2019 article, but all that stuff was in the past then just as much as it is now:

          https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/kamala-cop-record/596758/

          Closing paragraphs of that article:

          I can forgive a politician a vote on a crime bill that looks ill-conceived two decades later, or a too-slow evolution toward marijuana legalization, or even a principled belief in the death penalty, something I adamantly oppose. I find it far harder to forgive fighting to keep a man in jail in the face of strong evidence of innocence, running a team of prosecutors that withholds potentially exculpatory evidence from defense attorneys, and utterly failing as the state’s top prosecutor to rein in glaringly corrupt district attorneys and law enforcement.

          At best, Harris displayed a pattern of striking ignorance about scandalous misconduct in hierarchies that she oversaw. And she is now asking the public to place her atop a bigger, more complicated, more powerful hierarchy, where abuses and unaccountable officials would do even more to subvert liberty and justice for all.

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      IMHO, forced seems a bit harsh. The co-elected incumbent VP is historically the backup when something goes down with the President and you’re outside of an election cycle.

      The primaries already happened, there is no time to print ballots, stand up polling stations, and get the public to vote before the Ohio roll call to get a candidate on the ballot. This would probably be impossible even if Biden dropped out on that debate stage.

      The party / delegates are basically forced to pick someone, and using the precedent of a the VP being the fallback, this is probably the most democratic option. She was elected with Biden in 2020.

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        Even if Biden dropped out before the primary, Kamala would have had an incredible advantage over all other candidates. She very likely would have been the nominee.

        There are things to get upset about. The most likely alternative taking over is not one of them.

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        One might note it’s not so much historical tradition so much as literally their job.

        Voting for an octogenarian with a VP means you don’t really mind the VP becoming president.

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    The ACAB people have never been opposed to laws or prosecution of criminals. The problem is that the cops and their powerful friends tend to be immune to those laws.

    It’s certainly true that some laws and some sentencing ranges are unjust, but that’s different from saying that laws themselves ought not exist. And although we’ve seen several high profile cases recently where prosecutors are clearly dirty as hell, that’s probably less common than the dirtiness ratio among the pigs.

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      Also, ACAB doesn’t mean there are no good cops. Just that even the good cops are sullied by being a part of an organization that promotes and protects those who commit terrible crimes. Sort of like, “Even the really good ones are sort of bad.”

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        Good cops get chased out.

        Good cops who stay end up getting silenced or killed.

        Until you cut the rot, ACAB.

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          You’re both saying pretty much the same thing. ACAB isn’t really about the people, it’s about the system that’s set up to promote abuse of power and suppress those trying to do good. Cutting the rot won’t solve the problem because there will always be more rot. What’s needed is complete reform.

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        “A rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor”, the 1130s version of the famous proverb.

        It also suggests the solution: remove the bad apples before they can spoil the bunch. But, bad cops are protected, and as a result the whole institution is rotten.

        Also, if you end up with a whole box full of rotten apples, the only solution is to throw it away and start fresh. Police reform processes almost never do that. They try to keep most of the cops, even the supervisors, in their jobs. Then try to fix it with extra training, or outside supervision or something.

        There should be laws, and if there are laws there’s a need for law enforcement. But, other countries around the world have managed to do that in a way where their law enforcers are properly supervised. They’ve found a way to have specialized units that deal with violent crime or organized crime, so that the rest of the law enforcers don’t have to walk around with a life-or-death mindset. Most importantly, they have a culture that a police officer is a public servant whose main job is to help people in very stressful situations. In the US the culture is that every person you encounter is potentially going to kill you, so you and your brothers need to approach every situation as though your life is on the line.

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        Good cops don’t let bad cops do bad things. Which is another way of saying that I agree with you, but I would prefer to categorize cops based on their actions and not based on their theoretical potential, because we have to live with the former. Or die from it, as happens all too often.

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      This is too broad an interpretation of ACAB. The concept is specifically about policing and takes no stance on the concept of law. That’s a consideration seated in political theory. No movement is a monolith. Progressive liberals, socialists, and anarchists alike share ACAB in common but have differing views on laws/enforcement/justice system.

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      Prosecutors are like cops more than they are different. They work with them day to day. They have the power to charge the bad ones with crimes, but they rarely do, and even then they often overcharge or put up a poor case so the cop goes free. They also overcharge people to force plea deals and avoid trials. This goes double for those who can’t afford bail and have to spend years in jail waiting for a trial. Prosecutors are every bit as bad and corrupt as the police.

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      Yea, seems weird to me to call a prosecutor a cop. I don’t understand why people seem to be equating the two. Maybe I’m just ignorant on how that works.

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        It’s not literal, it’s sort of a slang thing. Basically just means anyone seeking to get people locked up

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        You’re not. They are two very different responsibilities. I think a lot of people just generally hate lawyers, too.

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        I don’t think Ender Wiggin counts as genocidal. Sure, he did a genocide, but there was neither intent nor knowledge to do so. He never held a genocidal belief, opinion, or intent. His actions don’t reflect on his character because he was tricked, except to establish that he’s gullible. (And not very gullible considering the scope of the deception).

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        Xenocide, actually. He was duped as a child, and he spent the rest of his life atoning for it. I’m also not wrong. If you think a lawyer is a cop you need to go back to school. Maybe reread Ender’s Game while you’re at it. You might learn something.

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        The only thing closer to the bottom of this well than the enemy gate is my certainty “genocide” is a real word with how much I’ve seen it.

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          So you know how to invent memes about Ender’s Game on the fly, but you don’t think wiping out an entire species save a single egg is genocide.

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            I said I’ve seen the word so much it’s started to look fake, you stick in the mud. And yeah, that is genocide, though in Ender’s case it was unwittingly done. Bean is more to blame for realizing it and allowing it to continue without making sure Ender was aware by dissolving any remaining doubts he may have had about what they were doing.

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              That’s funny, I see the word “the” all the time and that never made me think it was fake. How come you think words that are used frequently are fake?

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                What they’re referring to is a fairly common phenomenon called semantic satiation, though in this case for visually seeing the word rather than audibly hearing the word.

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                  Semantic satiation occurs on the order of minutes. But they make it sound like it’s happened over months. I think they’re trying to change the subject to Palestine for no reason and deny the genocide there. I think their thesis is that those are false allegations, and they have eroded this person’s trust in the term.

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                Funny. How many times have you overlooked the the trick when someone puts too much of a commonly seen word in a sentence?

                Or did you miss that I put 2 “the” words in the sentence above?

                I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you’re taking what I said literally. Using fake in the sense of “does not exist”, as opposed to “no longer appearing real”. So, when the human mind looks at our world it perceives patterns in every environment we’re in. Eyes. Seeing and perceiving. For most of us this is the most prevalent and important sense.

                The processing of information is, however, not perfect. Because we are so good at identifying patterns, we quite literally trick ourselves. Sometimes it’s because we can ignore a part of our environment safely, other times it’s because there is something we identify and can’t comprehend visually without more context. In the case of a repeating word, this is reactive inhibition, or to put into context: The brain recognizes that the same process is repeating over and over. It seeks to combat this stimuli by making the reactions from the neurons less responsive. It suppresses the usual reaction.

                Thus a word, while real because it’s a word, begins to feel as if it’s somehow lost its meaning.

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    I really thought America had jumped the shark, but the trailer for this season looks fucking wild. The writers really pulled out all the stops.

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      are you kidding? it seemed like they were just retreading the same exact plot points of last season, everyone said they got lazy and BAM plot twist actually a black and Indian living woman instead of a white corpse… the ratings are surging right now

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      It’s normal they go wild. It’s the final season after all.

      I’ve heard rumors of a spin off/crossover with “The handmaid’s Tale”. Current narrative seems to fit

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        I dont know what I’m looking forward to the most, the “Handmaid” ending or the “Jericho” ending.

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    I don’t think its too spicy, I just think it isn’t very smart or strategic.

    The ACAB crowd obviously doesn’t love Harris precisely because she’s a cop, but as Transient Punk pointed out, the ACAB crowd didn’t choose Harris and don’t represent most of the Democratic party, who skew right-wing. (Whereas the back-the-blue types overlap much more with uncritical enthusiasm for Trump, who they see as an innocent man who has been wrongfully convicted by a corrupt and politically motivated justice system.)

    The Democratic coalition made up of progressive, leftists, and more right-wing liberals holds together by pragmatically overlooking these divisions and cooperating against the even-further-right, and this meme sows division right before a major election where Democrats are divided (e.g. over Israel) and having a hard time unifying.

    In that sense this meme will get a reaction, but again not because it is spicy but because it is divisive.

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    There’s right wing misinformation going around that Kamala Harris prosecuted over 1900 cases of misdemeanor drug possession charges during her seven years as a DA - sending those people to jail.

    THIS IS NOT TRUE!

    she oversaw roughly that many cases, but ONLY 45 saw jail time, and since 2018 she’s been a campaigner against the laws that jail people for minor possession charges. Convictions for such crimes drastically dropped during her time there.

    I know the left always complains that the right don’t check sources - but frankly no one does. So do better, and do basic research before spreading any information thoughtlessly. GET THE FACTS!

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/