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        3 months ago

        how is that an opposite?

        an opposite would be something everybody thinks is a bad idea until you name it

        unless you’re saying people disagree with the concepts and goals of eugenics until you say “but that’s just eugenics” at which point they’re fully on board?

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          3 months ago

          Most people think that Eugenics are a bad idea even if you don’t name it, which is the opposite of people actually agreeing with the ideas behind Marxism without knowing its Marxism.

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            3 months ago

            but that’s not what the comment said?

            Lots of people promote eugenics

            people sometimes end up accidentally talking themselves into eugenics and promoting eugenics before somebody points out that they’re talking about eugenics

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              But it is what the comment said. It’s saying that people promote eugenics without realizing it. They do so by talking about the mechanics of eugenics without naming them.

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                i’m baffled as to what’s going on here

                • if you describe the mechanics of eugenics, people like the idea
                • if you label the mechanics of eugenics as eugenics, people do not like the idea

                versus

                • if you describe the mechanics of marxism, people like the idea
                • if you label the mechanics of marxism as marxism, people do not like the idea
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                  Your confusion comes from the fact that you assume most people like the mechanics of eugenics. If that’s the sort of crowd you hang out with, then you may be associating with fascists.

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                    3 months ago

                    but that’s literally what the comment’s saying? and you’re saying "that’s an example of the opposite?

                    e.g., there’s a pretty good argument that pre-natal screening is a form of eugenics

                    if you describe the mechanics of pre-natal screening to somebody, i suspect most would be in support of that, but wouldn’t be if you described it using the term “eugenics”

                    like, if you were to notice that completing tertiary education makes it more difficult for people to have children, and you decided to create some form of government aid to offset that, then oopsie daisy you just did a eugenics, but you could absolutely package that idea in a way that most people would instinctively go “yeah that sounds okay”

                    also to preempt pls nobody do the intellectually dishonest thing of pretending me following this line of argument means im in love with eugenics and am here to argue for more eugenics or that i just dont think eugenics is such a bad thing after all thnk u