tbf, Caitlin Clark is the only WNBA player that’s profitable, and she’s kinda limited salary wise by the fact that the women’s league in general is not profitable and heavily subsidised by the NBA.
People will bitch about how the men’s league gets paid so much in comparison, then proceed to not watch the women’s league…
If you want it to make money YOU need to support it 🫵
This has always been my stance, Women make up approximately 50% of the population and the WNBA generates 2% of the revenue that the NBA does…
My wife and her friends go to some restaraunt once a month and they buy brand name workout clothes. Go to a game, buy a jersey, take your daughter and make it a thing.
So basically, “gender pay-gaps are fine, because the value of a woman is decided by the free market.”? Fuck that capitalist drivel…
Tear down the entire sexist gender-segregated professional sports industry for illegal/unconstitutional gender discrimination and require professional for-profit sports be co-ed like every other industry in this country is mandated to be.
The fact that the NBA doesn’t admit women should be grounds for dissolving the NBA as an illegal organization. The fact that the NBA and WNBA operate in-tandem while maintaining such an egregious gender pay-gap is proof of a conspiracy to discriminate against women.
Fuck the centuries of sexist tradition around sports. Just because it’s the way things have been, doesn’t mean it’s the way it ought to be. I’m sick and tired of the sexism and sexist apologia. If you think women deserve less, I don’t care what your excuse is, especially if your excuse is “the free market”. smh…
The fact that the NBA doesn’t admit women should be grounds for dissolving the NBA as an illegal organization
The NBA, like most pro sports leagues, has no rule preventing women from trying out. They’re already co-ed. The NBA doesn’t admit women because they don’t beat men in try-outs.
That last sentence is a bit misleading, women aren’t trying out for the NBA left and right. There also is a massive cultural barrier there, some of the best wnba players could likely play in the NBA and yet it hasn’t happened. I think someone would have to be willing to sacrifice their wnba career to try it out. If the person that does this isn’t built physically for it, it could paint a negative perception for years to come. Thus far it’s just been easier to keep separate. I do think we will see women start to enter sports dominated by men in the coming years though.
“Some of the best players in the wnba could likely play in the NBA…”
As an avid NBA fan (occasionally watch wnba) this is absolutely not true. Golf, Nascar, Tennis, yeah. It’s more likely to happen in the NFL than it is in the NBA though, because specialists positions like kicker. The NBA, players are required to play both offense and defense. For a woman to have both the pure athleticism to be competitive with the best 500 male basketball players in the world? Not an impossibility but she’d still likely be bench depth and seen as a pr motivated move. That level of nba player gets paid, maybe, 3x the top paid WNBA player but it’s give and take with potential endorsements etc.
The NBA allows women to try out though? It doesn’t ban women from competing at all.
If people don’t watch, then there’s fundamentally no money to be given to the players. If you want money to be given to the player, you need to watch.
That’s how it works for women’s sports, and that’s how it works for men’s sports as well.
Pay for all athletes is dictated by the viewership they bring in, not their performance. WNBA players actually make disproportionately more relative to viewership.
You honestly talk like someone who’s never watched a sport in their life.
Men’s minor leagues all pay shit salary too and for the same reasons. Teams and leagues fold all the time.
Hockey, football, baseball, soccer- unless you’re at the top you make about as much as you would at Costco.
So basically, “gender pay-gaps are fine, because the value of a woman is decided by the free market.”? Fuck that capitalist drivel…
Pay differences between different groups of performers are fine, because you can’t pay more than you bring in in revenue and be sustainable. The WNBA makes 2% as much as the NBA and also gets subsidized by the NBA (as in the NBA pays the WNBA to be a thing).
Tear down the entire sexist gender-segregated professional sports industry for illegal/unconstitutional gender discrimination and require professional for-profit sports be co-ed like every other industry in this country is mandated to be.
Every “men’s” sports league in the US allows women to compete, presuming they can compete at the same level. This is rare because of the general differences in height, weight and upper body strength between men and women, which are exacerbated when you start talking about professional athletes as they tend to be on the tail of the curve for those things.
Only women’s sports leagues discriminate with respect to sex. Same as competitive chess, amusingly. This extends down to the school levels too, where a girl that wants to play a sport with only a boys team must be allowed to try out and make the team if she can perform at the requisite level but a boy wanting to play a sport with only a girls team is simply SOL as according to Title IX policy the former is sex discrimination but the latter is not.
The existence of women’s sports is a form of protectionism.
Fuck the centuries of sexist tradition around sports. Just because it’s the way things have been, doesn’t mean it’s the way it ought to be. I’m sick and tired of the sexism and sexist apologia. If you think women deserve less, I don’t care what your excuse is, especially if your excuse is “the free market”. smh…
Professional sports is only sustainable if the athletes are paid less than the total amount of revenue less the costs of equipment, facilities, etc. In the case of the WNBA, their regular revenue is something like 1/50th of the NBA, and the NBA additionally pays about $15 million per year as a subsidy to help keep them afloat.
So what is your plan to close that wage gap? You recognize that money exists and is important (otherwise you wouldn’t be angry over disparity in money) so how do we get the appropriate amount of money to these women.
The WNBA makes less than $100 million in revenue. The NBA makes over $10 billion. It’s bringing in less than 1% of the revenue of the NBA. Do we take money from the players in the NBA to subsidize players in the WNBA?
Would it be fair to the players in the NBA that people are paying a lot of money to go see? Like if I spend $500 to see LeBron James play, then $250 of it goes to pay someone I didn’t even see play… is that fair?
If another league starts up that doesn’t take away players salaries, don’t you think all the best players would go to that league? Then both the NBA and WNBA don’t exist anymore.
You’re throwing out a lot of rage but no real solutions. There probably isn’t one. People pay more money to see the top players. The top players are men. It’s unfair, but at the end of the day, it’s just sports. It’s nothing to get upset over.
No plans only rant
Can you point me to the NBA rules that relate to gender identity?
It’s totally unfair to use Caitlin Clark as an example of the pay disparity as well. She’s a rookie on a pay scale. Her salary is less than half the average wnba salary. What’s really crazy to me is that the average salary is about 150k with only one woman making over 250k. For the salaries to be that flat seems odd compared to other pro sports but it’s just a part of the W having less revenue. Athletes have very strong unions also.
It’s totally unfair to use Caitlin Clark as an example of the pay disparity as well
Dunno. It was comparing rookie against rookie.
250k is 4x the rookie salary. Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant and Nikola Jokic are also around 4x the 12m quoted salary.
Average NBA salary is about 10 million. So Wemby is getting paid like 120% the average in his league. Clark is getting about 50% the average in her league.
Is bill burr on lemmy?
I’m gonna bet that corporate executives are bigoted assholes and increases in profits won’t substantially go to the women players.
The WNBA is currently operating at a loss.
Players in the WNBA are unionized and if and when the WNBA starts turning a profit they will be compensated.
To put things in perspective, the WNBA makes less than 1% of the revenue of the NBA. They got a long way to go before they’re making anything near to what the NBA players make.
In Brazil, is even more common now to people gather to watch the women football national team, not at the level of the men one, but there’s even companies where they close up when any of the two teams play, to give people opportunity to see the game.
I don’t like watching basketball (love playing it, though), but oddly enough I know of more people that go to WNBA games than NBA games, which comes to think of it seems odd. Maybe the seats are a lot less expensive…
You can sometimes buy season tickets to the WNBA for the price of similar single-game NBA seats.
Caitlyn Clark should launch her own merch store or something.
Why does nobody watch the women’s leagues? Is it because nobody else does? can’t have all the social aspects of sports if nobody else is doing it.
Imo, they need to stop the segregation. Ditch the women’s leagues, but keep the games and teams. Have both teams play in one league, and contribute to the overall score of the team.
It’ll add new strategy to the seasons. Spend all of your budget on the dudes and hope they keep winning despite the ladies; build a strong women’s team to carry your b-tier men’s team; or something in between.
This results in zero women playing sports.
I wish so much that the top women athletes were above the replacement level. It would create so much interest, we could all root for these women. It would be a benefit in terms of equal rights arguments when you could point to a woman being better at a sport than the men.
But unfortunately that’s just not reality. Male replacement level players are better than the best of the best female players. Having women on a team means having a player that’s below replacement level on the team. Meaning they could find a male player from a minor league team that could play better. This will never be a winning strategy.
There isn’t really a rule that prevents women from competing at the top level in professional sports at the top level. There just isn’t any women that can compete at that level. I remember around 20 years ago there was a woman goaltender that was really good and there were hopes she might be good enough to play in the NHL. Ended up not being as good as the male goalies in the minor leagues, so didn’t make the cut to get to the NHL.
It’s just one of those things where reality doesn’t conform to what we want it to be from a political standpoint. Women’s leagues exist (and should continue to exist) because if they didn’t women wouldn’t get to play sports. There’s always thousands of men that are stronger and faster than the strongest and fastest woman. It sucks, but it’s how it is.
People watch the NBA over the WNBA because they want to be the very best at the sport. It’s not a segregation rule that prevents women from playing in the NBA, it’s just that there aren’t any women that make the cut. Same goes for most sports.
But in the end it isn’t really a requirement to be the best at a sport to deserve equal rights. Sports are sports and it’s not really that important that there aren’t any women that make the cut at the top level of play. There’s more important things to worry about.
Why would it result in zero women playing? I’m not suggesting you merge the women’s teams with the open team.
But have it so your women’s teams performance counts just as much as the men’s.
Two teams (men’s and women’s), each playing against their own gender, scoring points in one league.
No point paying your dudes millions per season to get the best players if your women’s team sucks and loses every game.
Get teams and fans an incentive to invest and in both genders by playing for the same trophy.
They built a gender segregated system where all of the marketing and airtime goes to the men’s side. It’s an industry where women get less than 1% of the pay that the men did for the same job.
This system is so deeply ingrained, it is a fundamental part of our higher education system, where it benefits men 100x more than women.
But it’s my fault for not watching?
The corporate overlords thank you for redirecting the blame away from them.
There is no rule stopping women from joining the NBA. It’s just that no woman currently is able to compete at the highest level when men are included; the whole point of the WNBA is that, without it, there are no professional women in the sport.
In other words, it’s not the same job: one is an NBA player, the other a WNBA player. The WNBA exists precisely because women can’t do “the same job” but there is a market for watching women do the job. It’s just not as big as the market for people playing at the highest level of competition.
The reality is that if the market were bigger, they’d make more money. Help make the market bigger. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Are you suggesting they make a coed league where only the best get to play. How many female players will make the league.
NBA is coed. There is nothing in the rulebook banning women from the league.
What about dogs?
If you teach a dog to dunk I guarantee you’ll find a market for it.
Yeah, did you not watch the documentary?
The WNBA is a marketing line item for the NBA. If the NBA didnt give the WNBA their hand out, the WNBA wouldn’t exist.
You do know that professional sports is considered part of the entertainment industry, right? This is like you insisting that Margot Robbie and Christian Slater should be paid the same because they do the same job.
Nope.
There is no rule preventing a woman from playing in the NBA. The NBA created the WNBA and has marketed it heavily in an attempt to get more women interested in the sport. Sure there’s a long term profit motive (more women watching basketball could make them some money) but the WNBA has operated at a loss for decades. But maybe next year will be the year it turns a profit!
Boycotting the WNBA doesn’t get women into the NBA, more the opposite. It’s just screwing over women basketball players because of false assumptions.
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Is that your final answer?
Considering 1 percent of 12 million is 120k I guess that’s about right.
Final answer?
Y… es. Yes. No. Yes
Can I ring a friend?
This reminds me of how well I can do algebra and calculus but need to whip out the calculator for the tip.
Tips are easy. You move the decimal point (10%) and double (20%). Or find 10%, half of 10% is 5% and add that 5% to whatever 10% was for a 15% tip. And fudge the numbers to make the math easier when it makes sense to, it’s a tip not a math test.
You’re going to far. 0% of any sum is 0
This is the way I do it. Often I just divide by ten and multiply by two, but I’m a generous tipper, and it’s one less head math step.
The funny thing is that this basically how common core math works: get to the answer by doing as much easy math as possible.
Another method: tax is often about 8%, so double that as a baseline and adjust from there.
Easy for you to say! You don’t have scrambled eggs for brains. 😜
What are you guys talking about? Tip is just rounding up to banknotes-only. €37.25? You pay 2x€20.
why doesn’t she just play in the NBA?
If you want a serious answer: athletic ability
She isn’t strong or fast enough
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In NBA history, only 1 female player has ever been drafted- Luisa Harris. She did not actually make the team though, or anyways she never played in a game. I don’t quite remember. The door is open for women to play-the NBA does not prohibit it, nor do any of the “men’s leagues”-it just never happens because women are not good enough.
The WNBA’s revenue of $70 million is what percent of the NBA’s revenue of $10 billion?
And how much of The profitability of that industry is owed to state sponsorship, tax breaks, and Monopoly exceptions?
Professional sports needs to learn how to pay its own bills before it can be used as an example of why women’s sports aren’t profitable.
Do you know the difference between revenue and profit?
Do you know the difference between subsidized and self sufficient?
So no, you don’t understand what revenue is.
A whopping 0.7%!!
Is that… Nick Kroll and John Mulaney?
Oh, hello
either way, that would buy a lotta tuna.
Nick Kroll does not look impressed. Then again, he never does.
I had to do a double take scrolling because I was like “Wait, what that Nick Kroll?”
Nick Kroll and John Mulaney for those who don’t know.
Wow I could have sworn that was Jason Bateman
Wow. I thought the guy on the left was from arrested development
Perhaps a bit of a resemblance. Kroll and Mulaney collaborate a lot. They even had a long running Broadway show. They were plugging Big Mouth with this charity appearance.
Victor Wembanyama lol, sounds like the PES version of Victor Wanayama
