• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Sorry to rain on your joyful grandstanding, but it’s either Trump or Harris — and Harris & Biden have both expressed FAR more sympathy toward the Gazan people and trying to negotiate a permanent ceasefire than Trump.

    Meanwhile Bibi is trying to do everything he can to get Trump elected, while Trump violated the Logan Act and contacted Bibi directly to NOT take the ceasefire deal.

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      I’m sure Palestinians really appreciate Biden and Harris’ sympathies as they are misted by the bombs they sent over that were guided by the intelligence they provided.

      All the talk about ceasefire negotiations is an intentional distraction. Israel isn’t participating in negotiations as evidenced by the fact that they assassinated the main Hamas guy running negotiations.

      Claiming that opposition to Harris’ terrible policy position is somehow supportive of trump is dishonest and misleading. That attitude is a big reason why we keep electing such terrible leaders.

      trumps Logan Act violations should be prosecuted, absolutely, just like Biden’s violations of the Leahy Law should be prosecuted.

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        3 months ago

        Hmmm, let’s see… If I’m a Palestinian…

        And I see Harris/Biden:

        • Trying to negotiate a permanent cease-fire
        • Increasingly distancing themselves from the Netanyahu administration
        • Establishing aid routes into Gaza

        … And I see Trump:

        • Saying Israel “needs to finish what they started.”
        • Calling Netanyahu to NOT take the Ceasefire deal (similar to how he blocked the Border Patrol endorsed border legislation)

        … Then I have to take an educated guess and say that I don’t think Harris or Biden are actually psychopathic narcissists who worship strong-men dictators like Trump does and I have to think that Trump will not care how many of us die… So I’d rather deal with strategic gaming of the electorate to ensure Democrats win in the next 2.5 months as opposed to risking a Trump presidency and having NO support for at least 4 years.

        This “inTenTioNAl DiStrActIoN” thing is unfounded and utter speculation. What Netanyahu decides to do does NOT negate what Harris/Biden are trying to do. Be better.

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          Biden and Harris might be negotiating, but Israel is not. For Biden and Harris to willfully misrepresent that fact is mostly where I base my claims about negotiations being a stalling tactic.

          Biden and Harris have done nothing to distance themselves from Netanyahu. If anything, Harris doubled down on her support for his administration in her DNC speech.

          Aid into Gaza has been pathetically inadequate. Given that the US is the power broker in this region, it’s difficult to argue that this isn’t intentional.

          trump is a monster. No argument there.

          I don’t think that Biden and Harris are ‘psychopathic narcissists’. I do think that Biden is ideologically bound to supporting Israel’s racist apartheid goals. I’ve been hoping for meaningful signs that Harris is different than him, but her DNC speech was a clear attempt to align herself with his policies. So, that’s disheartening.

          I agree that voting for Harris is harm reduction and that given the options, that course gives us the possibility of influence whereas the alternative prevents that. However, pressure needs to be applied to Harris or nothing will change. Pressure during the election has more efficacy than afterward. If her stance on this is actually enough to deny her the win, then she is making a huge political mistake by ‘cozying up’ to a genocide policy.

          I base my ‘intentional distraction’ claim on almost a year of toothless rhetoric from Biden, preceded by decades of similar obfuscations from administration after administration.

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            It may be of interest to you to read this discussion thread I had with another user here. Without too much repeating I think we’re on the same side largely; but I definitely put a lot of weight on the rock-and-a-hard-place Biden/Harris is with courting different voting groups and ensuring Gazans don’t have to deal with 4 years of Trump instead of 4 years of Harris. So I’m extremely cautious with only 71 days until election day to jeopardize any risk to that.

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          3 months ago

          These people are gonna be pissed anyway when they find out the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in this war is one of the lowest if not the lowest in urban warfare history.

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            Uh yeah… Let’s not go that far and remember the incompetency of the IDF: Killing their OWN 3 hostages who had raised white flags and were unarmed, or that time they annihilated a humanitarian aid convoy who had properly sought clearance from IDF command ahead of their trek.

            At the current rate, Israel is happily lining up 3-4 Gaza civilians — half of whom being women & children — and executing them for each Hamas soldier they claim was in the alleged vicinity. They know this, and yet they pull the trigger anyway.

            They’re not the good guys.