When I listen to Apollo 18, words fail, buildings tumble, the ground opens wide, light beams down from heaven.
Though I think my favorite song is Ana Ng.
I like Apollo 18 a lot, but for me it’s Flood.
Apollo 18 is some of their best work, but as a whole Flood delivers.
I had a friend back in the 90s who had a theory that your favorite TMBG album is the one you were listening to when you get it. When it goes from being weird but catchy, to true fandom.
For me it holds up: Lincoln.
I suppose, because it’s Flood for me, but I truly love both Factory Showroom and Mink Car.
And I don’t know I can rate one above the other.
Honestly, Flood is my pick for their best album but, also, I just adore Apollo 18 for the quirky songwriting.
Like some TV commercials, several of the interludes on Apollo 18 are just… not good.
I kind of like both those albums. I felt like several of the demos for Mink Car were better than album, though.
I sort of oscillate between Lincoln, Pink Album, and a random one. I guess it kind of holds, since those were my first non-Flood albums. (Flood and No! were a part of my childhood, and I liked a lot of Flood, but with Lincoln and Pink Album, that was the first time I dove deep.)
I did a full listen through of their non-kids albums not long ago. I think it’s fair to say that they get a bit more “mainstream” with each album. I think the first, eponymous, album is the purest distillation of their sound.
Don’t get me wrong, I love everything through the 90s, and I think John Henry, Long Tall Weekend, and Mink Car get slept on for how many great tracks there are. There are plenty of great songs after Mink Car, but things start to feel a bit sterilized.
But that first album has so many great, creative songs all over the genre map. Everything Right is Wrong Again, Number Three, Nothing’s Gonna Change My Clothes, I Hope That I Get Old Before I Die, Alternation’s for the Rich, Rhythm Section Want Ad, all bangers.
I almost feel like there’s a bit of a curve. I think some time post-Disney (maybe The Else to Join Us) was when they started getting back more to themselves, though not to the same extent as Pink Album. I think I Like Fun is especially good for the current era, and Book has some bangers too - Brontosaurus almost feels like peak 90s Johns.
Part of it is I think the Johns tend to mirror a genre at the time - Pink album was New Wave, Lincoln was on the border between alt and alt rock, Flood was the John’s own quirky alt rock, John Henry was more mainstream alt rock, Factory Showroom was when the Johns figured out how to better take alt rock and fit it to their vibe, Long Tall Weekend channeled just a bit of swing revival, Mink Car was early 2000s pop/rock, and most recent albums are a mix of modern indie and alt rock.
I agree with you on Pink album, though - it has such great vibes, and it’s tied in my heart with Lincoln.
Yeah it’s pretty hard for me to choose between anything from the Pink Album to John Henry. They’re just all so good in their own way
I also listened to the albums in order recently and noticed the same. The first album is the most creative and eclectic in many ways, and each album loses a little of that essence but the production values get noticeably better.
That said, my favourite is probably Lincoln which is nearly as crazy as the first, but with slightly better songwriting IMO.
I also love John Henry in a different way; the songwriting and production is as good as TMBG gets, but it definitely has a different vibe to the first two albums.
I find most post-90s TMBG albums get very much slept-on. I also love The Else and Glean, but again they have an entirely different vibe to the first couple of albums.
Post-90s their songs start to get a bit samey. There are definite stand-outs for sure, but the albums as a whole shift to a more homogenous alt rock.
I agree - their first few albums used some wonderful and wacky sound choices when it was just the two of them messing around, and their post-90s albums rely a lot more on the band.
Unpopular opinion incoming… I was listening to the albums in order recently. I love the first three from start to end, but I couldn’t get through Apollo 18 without having the urge to skip Mammal and Dinner Bell - I find the vocal melodies really grating in those tracks.
Having Fingertips shuffled around the album almost makes up for it, if you’re listening to a proper version which doesn’t have them bundled into one track.
You’re not wrong, and I’m there with you.
I really like Mammal, and Dinner Bell, Dinner Bell, Ding Ding Ding!
I do like Mammal and Dinner Bell, but I otherwise see what you mean about the album. I feel like the meh songs of the album are:
- Dig My Grave
- Schpidah! (Though he still is my hero.)
- Hypnotist of Ladies
- Space Suit
Apollo 18 does have some great tracks, but I think my favorite oscillates between the pink album, Lincoln, and whatever album I’m listening to that I neglected before (currently, The ELSE - you could say I’m Impressed.)
Apollo 18 was my favorite for a long time, especially listening on shuffle to give Fingertips the intended playback method. But a few years ago I really got into Factory Showroom thanks to my partner. That album is has a lot of really solid songs that showcase the range of their songwriting skills.
Also, streaming services forcing Fingertips to be a single track has made listening to Apollo 18 way less fun.
At least Nanobots got it’s pseudo-fingertips right on streaming.
