I’m not sure how I feel about this, really. On the one hand it’s depressing as fuck for this to happen to someone, on so many obvious levels. But on the other hand, I would LOVE a job where I am so sufficient left the fuck alone that it would take 4 days for coworkers to realize I was gone.
The “four days” part seems sensationalized… sounds like she clocked in on Friday and was found on Tuesday. So it seems like at most she wasn’t missed for one business day.
They found her because her corpse started decomposing and it smelled bad. If that hadn’t happened due to better ventilation or whatever, it would have been longer. It’s pretty disturbing either way.
And that’s setting aside that you’d measure her hours dead in “business days” and excuse the company for it? Didn’t you feel gross including that in a sentence about someone? Her body wasn’t being mailed out for shipping. It was decomposing on the office floor, on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. WellsFargo is indeed open on Saturdays for partial services, and they have security every day in their buildings. That it wasn’t “full business days,” is some kind of Corporate Erin speech. “Business days” are for communicating a timeline on goods, they are not for excusing company negligence with DEAD PEOPLE.
Business days are important because that’s when people work, and would be there to find them. And what’s to excuse? Wells Fargo didn’t kill em. People die, if you find a company that makes you immortal let me know.
I already clarified why they don’t count, due to security being on premises.
Wells Fargo having such bad management and bad work morale/conditions (a criticism towards them that’s been happening for years) that they don’t notice a literal dead body for days is what you’re excusing. It’s not just any company it happened at, it happened at WellsFargo. That’s the point. Or did you forget about their scandal forcing employees to meet quotas for special accounts resulting in employees signing people up who never asked for it? They have a history of bad management and bad employee treatment.
This actually happened at an old job of mine. It was a small clinic I worked at, about 30 employees. Someone reliable didn’t show up one day, and we were all friendly/friends anyway, so the person closest with her drove to her house to wake her up or give her a ride, whatever. She was dead.
I really don’t think Wells Fargo has any blame in this, this just as easily could have happened to any company. Perhaps it is a problem with corporate America, but what would you say they’re actually negligent of?
it may sound callous and cold, but logistics does end up asking strange questions like “What is a reasonable amount of time to notice that an employee passed away at their desk in a corporate office?” Or “How do we verify that every employee in the building is still alive?”
It’s unfortunate and sad what happened to this woman, but I don’t see how Wells Fargo played any part in this other than to be a rage-bait headline
Wells Fargo having such bad management and bad work morale/conditions (a criticism towards them that’s been happening for years) that they don’t notice a literal dead body for days is what you’re excusing. It’s not just any company it happened at, it happened at WellsFargo. That’s the point. Or did you forget about their scandal forcing employees to meet quotas for special accounts resulting in employees signing people up who never asked for it? They have a history of bad management and bad employee treatment.
Yes, companies should be structured in a way that involves managers managing. A manager’s job is literally to monitor performance. This is the negligent part of WellsFargo since there is obviously someone in charge of her, probably multiple entities if we include HR and security. Her manager probably even saw the time clock anomaly and edited it without checking on her desk. Then she no call no shows Monday and Tuesday and there’s no one checking her desk then. They checked due to smell. That’s shitty management, somewhere.
Community in this country has been eroded horribly. Even in the workplace it’s discouraged at an authentic level because we might unionize. Don’t you find this concerning as an element of a bigger picture? Remember when companies prized their employees so much they gave them pensions and watches?
Last, news articles like this about companies are meant to move money around primarily. Articles about companies that are publicly traded get picked up by traders and trading bots. So a lot of people may want to pull their money out hearing this newest scandal after everything else, creating volatility in their stock which allows for better money making via options trading.
If Wells Fargo had amazing management, was a massive and undeniable benefit to humanity, and every one of their employees loved working there, how precisely would that have changed the outcome here?
The only two things that I can think of that would have changed what happened is 1) Security actively monitored every single person’s activity within the building at all times and make notes so one of the security team would notice that she’s been slumped over for a long time, and 2) management insisted that all team members are in office every single day to ensure that they all can see each other. In today’s work culture, I’d argue that doing either of those things is bad management.
You say the point is that it happened at Wells Fargo, but let’s be more clear here: is your goal to find any reason to help justify your distaste of Wells Fargo?
I do believe Wells Fargo has a lot to answer for, but let’s be honest and just in what we go after companies and people for. If we constantly attack entities we don’t like for anything that on first pass sounds bad, eventually we’ll have called wolf too many times and legitimate complaints will get ignored
Managers should have changed her desk location to be near other employees (so that they couldve called 911 for her when she could have used it) when it was noticed that they had less staff in that area. Managers should have checked on her when she didn’t clock out or show up. Managers should have cleared her desk by end of day on first no call no show.
Security should at minimum be monitoring rooms daily, yeah. Surely you aren’t suggesting they did an adequate job here?
Cleaning staff should be cleaning rooms EoD if not daily
as a forner wf employee, my nearest teammate was in Arizona and I was in Texas. I didn’t know the other people in the building at all. That plus staggered wfh schedules…i am just speculating about your question
my building was a “ghost town” even before covid, so i can see how it might have happened.
That makes it worse. Nobody checks the building Friday night. Safe to assume there is a clock in system, so that means nobody responsible even looked at the time system Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, or Monday morning or evening.
I’m not sure how I feel about this, really. On the one hand it’s depressing as fuck for this to happen to someone, on so many obvious levels. But on the other hand, I would LOVE a job where I am so sufficient left the fuck alone that it would take 4 days for coworkers to realize I was gone.
The “four days” part seems sensationalized… sounds like she clocked in on Friday and was found on Tuesday. So it seems like at most she wasn’t missed for one business day.
They found her because her corpse started decomposing and it smelled bad. If that hadn’t happened due to better ventilation or whatever, it would have been longer. It’s pretty disturbing either way.
And that’s setting aside that you’d measure her hours dead in “business days” and excuse the company for it? Didn’t you feel gross including that in a sentence about someone? Her body wasn’t being mailed out for shipping. It was decomposing on the office floor, on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. WellsFargo is indeed open on Saturdays for partial services, and they have security every day in their buildings. That it wasn’t “full business days,” is some kind of Corporate Erin speech. “Business days” are for communicating a timeline on goods, they are not for excusing company negligence with DEAD PEOPLE.
Business days are important because that’s when people work, and would be there to find them. And what’s to excuse? Wells Fargo didn’t kill em. People die, if you find a company that makes you immortal let me know.
I already clarified why they don’t count, due to security being on premises.
Wells Fargo having such bad management and bad work morale/conditions (a criticism towards them that’s been happening for years) that they don’t notice a literal dead body for days is what you’re excusing. It’s not just any company it happened at, it happened at WellsFargo. That’s the point. Or did you forget about their scandal forcing employees to meet quotas for special accounts resulting in employees signing people up who never asked for it? They have a history of bad management and bad employee treatment.
You’re reaching because you don’t like the company. Use the good reasons to hate the company, not the lack of granting immorality.
I instead imagine someone from HR pissed storming in her cubicle wanting to shout “hey you need to clock in and clock out every day, ok???”
This actually happened at an old job of mine. It was a small clinic I worked at, about 30 employees. Someone reliable didn’t show up one day, and we were all friendly/friends anyway, so the person closest with her drove to her house to wake her up or give her a ride, whatever. She was dead.
I really don’t think Wells Fargo has any blame in this, this just as easily could have happened to any company. Perhaps it is a problem with corporate America, but what would you say they’re actually negligent of?
it may sound callous and cold, but logistics does end up asking strange questions like “What is a reasonable amount of time to notice that an employee passed away at their desk in a corporate office?” Or “How do we verify that every employee in the building is still alive?”
It’s unfortunate and sad what happened to this woman, but I don’t see how Wells Fargo played any part in this other than to be a rage-bait headline
Wells Fargo having such bad management and bad work morale/conditions (a criticism towards them that’s been happening for years) that they don’t notice a literal dead body for days is what you’re excusing. It’s not just any company it happened at, it happened at WellsFargo. That’s the point. Or did you forget about their scandal forcing employees to meet quotas for special accounts resulting in employees signing people up who never asked for it? They have a history of bad management and bad employee treatment.
Yes, companies should be structured in a way that involves managers managing. A manager’s job is literally to monitor performance. This is the negligent part of WellsFargo since there is obviously someone in charge of her, probably multiple entities if we include HR and security. Her manager probably even saw the time clock anomaly and edited it without checking on her desk. Then she no call no shows Monday and Tuesday and there’s no one checking her desk then. They checked due to smell. That’s shitty management, somewhere.
Community in this country has been eroded horribly. Even in the workplace it’s discouraged at an authentic level because we might unionize. Don’t you find this concerning as an element of a bigger picture? Remember when companies prized their employees so much they gave them pensions and watches?
Last, news articles like this about companies are meant to move money around primarily. Articles about companies that are publicly traded get picked up by traders and trading bots. So a lot of people may want to pull their money out hearing this newest scandal after everything else, creating volatility in their stock which allows for better money making via options trading.
If Wells Fargo had amazing management, was a massive and undeniable benefit to humanity, and every one of their employees loved working there, how precisely would that have changed the outcome here?
The only two things that I can think of that would have changed what happened is 1) Security actively monitored every single person’s activity within the building at all times and make notes so one of the security team would notice that she’s been slumped over for a long time, and 2) management insisted that all team members are in office every single day to ensure that they all can see each other. In today’s work culture, I’d argue that doing either of those things is bad management.
You say the point is that it happened at Wells Fargo, but let’s be more clear here: is your goal to find any reason to help justify your distaste of Wells Fargo?
I do believe Wells Fargo has a lot to answer for, but let’s be honest and just in what we go after companies and people for. If we constantly attack entities we don’t like for anything that on first pass sounds bad, eventually we’ll have called wolf too many times and legitimate complaints will get ignored
Managers should have changed her desk location to be near other employees (so that they couldve called 911 for her when she could have used it) when it was noticed that they had less staff in that area. Managers should have checked on her when she didn’t clock out or show up. Managers should have cleared her desk by end of day on first no call no show.
Security should at minimum be monitoring rooms daily, yeah. Surely you aren’t suggesting they did an adequate job here?
Cleaning staff should be cleaning rooms EoD if not daily
How do you miss a coworker for a whole business day then?
as a forner wf employee, my nearest teammate was in Arizona and I was in Texas. I didn’t know the other people in the building at all. That plus staggered wfh schedules…i am just speculating about your question
my building was a “ghost town” even before covid, so i can see how it might have happened.
The building has 24/7 security though, so it would have been easy to find her on a Saturday or Sunday if they walked around a bit or checked cameras…
That makes it worse. Nobody checks the building Friday night. Safe to assume there is a clock in system, so that means nobody responsible even looked at the time system Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, or Monday morning or evening.