I’ll give mine to get the ball rolling.

There was a user that, before getting banned, declared that every single living human being alive on Earth right now should not exist because no one had the benefit of a pre-conception device on hand to somehow determine each individual’s consent to exist before they started to exist.

I don’t know if that take would make David Benatar blush, make David Benatar cackle with glee, or if that was posted by David Benatar himself.

  • PapaEmeritusIII [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    There was a person who was convinced that nobody actually enjoys music or art. They said everyone is just performatively pretending to enjoy these things for some reason. Or maybe everyone is just imagining their emotional responses to music/art, like some sort of mass delusion. I don’t remember all the particulars; this was a while ago.

    I still kinda wonder if that person was just a really good troll

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I completely do not recall who said this so I can’t vouch for activity or not.

    But my favourite obscure hot take was during urban planning discussions and someone gave a very spirited description of how there should be absolutely no personal kitchens in apartments, so that communal canteens could be used to socially engineer the people into more virtuous cuisine choices(not primarily in terms of vegan v meat but like regional cuisines.)

    Don’t recall exactly the following reactions but I do think there was some revisions to the original idea after people pointed out that this would probably end up either killing people with allergies, or result in segregation based on medical conditions.

  • Gorb [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    That the world needs more leftist landlords to free up their time to write theory. Or something along those lines its been a while

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Do you remember the user, during the early Chapo chat days, that got their account banned because they kept down voting pinned/featured posts? They down voted every pinned or featured post because they didn’t like them appearing on their feed. This was back when some idiots kept down voting every trans positive post. A pinned post was then made highlighting this, pointing out that users who continue to down vote anything trans positive would be banned. Then a trans positive megathread was made. They proceeded to down vote the megathread and get banned.

      • TheDoctor [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        2 months ago

        This was a moderator and they were also banned for constantly derailing conversations in mod chat, calling for poster unionization (still don’t know what this means), and calling for admin elections (as in server stewardship switching hands). I remember a lot of weirdly passive aggressive behavior in general as well.

  • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Remember DroneRights? They seemed to be genuinely mentally ill so I don’t want to make fun of them, but right before they got banned they tried to make some argument about how reality didn’t exist, like it’s just a social construct. Wild stuff.

        • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          2 months ago

          It is not. A neurotype is a trait that you are born with. Whereas personality disorders are a result of trauma and other life factors, and developing problematic reactions to it. It does result in brain changes, but so does any other mental health disorder. You can think of it as external influence vs natural traits. This is in part why personally disorders can’t be diagnosed until adulthood.

          • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I’ve seen stuff that isn’t strictly like genetic/developmental included in the neurodivergence umbrella before, but either way that just seems like a relatively standard semantic disagreement, you kinda phrased it like some kind of deceptive act.

            • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              2 months ago

              Are we talking colloquial or scientific classification? If it’s the first, it is just semantics. I’m not clear on your reading it as me portraying it as a deceptive act. I should be clear, it is not and I do not endorse such ideas.

              • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                2 months ago

                Phrasing it as “passing it off as” and bringing it up in a thread of hot takes in general gave off that impression to me, it felt like a relatively minor detail, but I didn’t mean it as a direct accusation, just mainly trying to get a sense of what you meant by mentioning it.

                • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  Oh, okay! Yeah, I did actually mean that specifically in regards to DroneRights, the individual. I only responded inside my inbox and kinda forgot the context of the thread. DroneRights is a jackass who wants to accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with its antisocial behaviors as bigoted. There’s plenty of people who have APD who don’t behave this way and work on genuine personal growth.

          • very_poggers_gay [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            2 months ago

            A neurotype is a trait that you are born with. Whereas personality disorders are a result of trauma and other life factors, and developing problematic reactions to it.

            IMO, it seems problematic to exclude personality disorders (PD) from the neurodivergent umbrella and neurodivergent solidarity.

            1. The personality in PD refers to personality traits. PDs are typically understood as chronic conditions, which, even if they are triggered/exacerbated by trauma and other life factors, means that someone with a PD will probably experience severe and persistent difficulties in different areas of their life and across their lifespan. Living with a PD and managing the difficult experiences that PDs create is a lifelong process. And PD’s are not diagnosed until adulthood specifically to avoid over-diagnosing trauma responses as disturbances in personality traits.

            2. Different kinds of trauma and other life factors contribute to most kinds of neurodiversity, as supported by the explosive rise in rates of diagnoses like autism and ADHD (especially late diagnoses in adulthood).

            3. Personality disorders are heavily stigmatized already, and I can’t help but think that excluding people with PD’s from neurodivergent solidarity is rooted in stigma (i.e., that people with PDs are too abrasive, unstable, rude, etc.). I think that drawing lines around which psychological diagnoses are considered ND or not reflects and reinforces stigma.

            • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              2 months ago

              I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying here, we need solidarity amongst marginalized groups. But scientific classification doesn’t back up your opinion on the semantics here.

              Thank you for neatly ordering your points, I’ll address them in kind.

              #1 - Personality disorders are not organic things you are born with, they can and often are successfully treated. They can be long lasting and even life long, but proper treatment can result in full remission. A neurodivergence itself is a genetic brain structural deviation from the average that can only be worked around/compensated for to help improve one’s quality of life - but the fundamentals of their brain structure does not change. To put it another way, we could say that a person’s personality becomes disordered.

              #2 - Trauma does not contribute to the development of a neurodivergence, but it does exacerbate negative outcomes and hurts people’s ability to adapt to their difficulties. There’s typically higher rates of diagnoses in homes that have a lot of traumatic events because these homes usually don’t have the resources to help them adapt or mask. This is not a causal role, and there is no difference in brain structure between these cohorts. The increase in diagnoses is due to increased public knowledge and less stigma.

              #3 - This gets to the heart of what we’re going back and forth on - basically it’s semantics. I’m looking at this as official classifications - neurodivergence being the thing that you’re born with vs. brain changes that happened due to trauma post birth (neurological stress responses). We should probably develop a better single word term for these conditions… maybe there is one but it’s escaping me if there is. Classification of conditions for treatment isn’t intended to divide groups to be stigmatized, but unfortunately it does get used by people to sew division. There’s terms that neurodivergent people, people with personality disorders, and people with other stigmatized conditions all fall under - “marginalized people” among many other ways of saying it. I’m not advocating for exclusion of people with PDs from our solidarity, it’s just a different type struggle that they face with close parallels to neurodivergence.

              I hope that all makes sense.

              As for DroneRights… it was trying to excuse its shitty behavior and calling people bigoted if they disagreed. I’m not going to support someone who’s trying to be a wrecker because we’re both marginalized.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Oh I do remember DroneRights. I don’t want to assume DroneRights was deliberately trolling but the takes got more and more, well… “agree with DroneRights about the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness or you are posting hatespeech against DroneRights.”

      • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Yeah, that’s what I remember. “Disagreeing with my crank ideas is ableism” or something like that. I want to believe it was trolling, but trolling requires that at some point you acknowledge you’re trolling so that people know that they got trolled. If you never let on that you’re trolling then you’re just doing the thing.