This is a common man-o-sphere narrative but most people, within their own circles, have healthy intergender relationships. We talk about rapists, abusers, and incels as rapists, abusers, and incels - those folks can be women or men. While women are justifiably cautious around strange men late at night that doesn’t mean all men are abusers, rapists, or incels.
It’s not just a narrative in conservative talking spheres for men.
I think the appeal of weirdos like that Tate guy is super simple. From the age of about 13 into the 20’s, testosterone. It makes you think about sex. Period. People like Tate are saying, hey you horny men, here’s how to get women, that thing you can’t stop thinking about.
That’s really the only appeal. Tate just so happens to have god awful politics.
Learning how to make friends and influence people is seen as leadership building. Learning how to pick up women to sleep with them is seen as toxic. In general men’s sexuality is seen as more violent than women’s. This is why women’s fashion involves them walking around half naked a lot of the time, and men’s fashion, even at the beach men where shorts that go below the knees often times. It’s just the way it is. Men are hornier than women. A lot hornier.
Feminism has definitely been saying for years that men need to avoid being rapey, that men are toxic and need to work towards being non toxic, than men need to go out of their way to not be threatening in any way towards women (such as the example you’ve given, men should cross the street to avoid walking near a woman at night, even though men are more likely to be assaulted by strangers to a very large degree, and even though women are more likely to be assaulted by people they know personally, which means their fear of strangers at night is probably not as justified as you suggest)
This is just to say that when we start the conversation off with young men as, you are literally toxic, I don’t know how or why you would expect a different result than for young men to see feminists as a group of man haters.
Men and boys have been left behind, and there is a need for a men’s rights group that is similar to feminism that advocates for men and boys. Feminism can not fulfill this need. And neither can people like Tate or Peterson…. But for this to happen, feminists need to allow men and boys their own space to discuss and work through these issues on their own.
When you spend a decade talking about men as rapists, abusers and incels thats what happens.
Kids dont have the ability to reason their way out of it, so they look for acceptance and right-wing pundits have been waiting with open arms.
This is a common man-o-sphere narrative but most people, within their own circles, have healthy intergender relationships. We talk about rapists, abusers, and incels as rapists, abusers, and incels - those folks can be women or men. While women are justifiably cautious around strange men late at night that doesn’t mean all men are abusers, rapists, or incels.
You are correct.
But itd be disingenuous to say that there isnt a pretty noticeable discussion that says all men are absusers on places like twitter and discord.
And kids dont have the faculties to dissect a statement like that.
Yea, I try to correct that when I see it but I do understand how young folks can get that impression.
It’s not just a narrative in conservative talking spheres for men.
I think the appeal of weirdos like that Tate guy is super simple. From the age of about 13 into the 20’s, testosterone. It makes you think about sex. Period. People like Tate are saying, hey you horny men, here’s how to get women, that thing you can’t stop thinking about.
That’s really the only appeal. Tate just so happens to have god awful politics.
Learning how to make friends and influence people is seen as leadership building. Learning how to pick up women to sleep with them is seen as toxic. In general men’s sexuality is seen as more violent than women’s. This is why women’s fashion involves them walking around half naked a lot of the time, and men’s fashion, even at the beach men where shorts that go below the knees often times. It’s just the way it is. Men are hornier than women. A lot hornier.
Feminism has definitely been saying for years that men need to avoid being rapey, that men are toxic and need to work towards being non toxic, than men need to go out of their way to not be threatening in any way towards women (such as the example you’ve given, men should cross the street to avoid walking near a woman at night, even though men are more likely to be assaulted by strangers to a very large degree, and even though women are more likely to be assaulted by people they know personally, which means their fear of strangers at night is probably not as justified as you suggest)
This is just to say that when we start the conversation off with young men as, you are literally toxic, I don’t know how or why you would expect a different result than for young men to see feminists as a group of man haters.
Men and boys have been left behind, and there is a need for a men’s rights group that is similar to feminism that advocates for men and boys. Feminism can not fulfill this need. And neither can people like Tate or Peterson…. But for this to happen, feminists need to allow men and boys their own space to discuss and work through these issues on their own.