I really don’t get why so many people think the migration is their biggest problem instead of economy and especially demography in Germany. The industry is stuck in the 20th century, that’s the main problem which needs to be addressed, not if there are some migrants here and there.
Because none of the big party wants to acknowledge that, random example, abolishing the wealth tax was a bad idea. Not even the bloody SPD: They’re not addressing social issues, aren’t addressing people’s fears for the future, aren’t addressing the lack of perspectives, which leaves room for demagogues. Because doing that would mean that they need to make actual changes to the system, and why would the SPD implement SocDem policies there’s a reason they’re known as the traitor party.
It’s, in short, a lack of balls in the SPD’s political base to get rid of the Seeheimer circle. Get rid of that New Labour nonsense. Maybe, you know, when Berlin (as in the city state) votes to expropriate large landlords you take that as a sign that you fucked up and change course, instead of trying your best to not have to implement the expropriation. “But won’t someone think about market confidence!” MFers did it help market confidence when the east went full-on AfD. Get a grip.
Which is especially sad in Germany, because we ought to have learnt from the mistakes of the past and mastered the art of improving ourselves. The stereotype of a German being overly critical was true for exactly that reason. Apparently the Generation that should have learned it from first hand simply forgot.
Yup, that’s one flavour of propaganda. Others include racism and xenophobia, all different kinds of fear mongering from stealing jobs to raping “your” women, flat out lies like people eating pets, nationalism, exceptionalism (sadly not only an American problem), and so on. It is everywhere in pretty much all the media we consume consciously and un/subconsciously, even the most left leaning people can’t completely avoid it, we just work harder at being aware of it and (in general, should) do our best to combat it in our own minds and the minds of others.
Exactly. What’s more, demographic change alone has led to an urgent need for workers from abroad in Germany. This applies to low-skilled as well as highly skilled workers - for example in crafts, catering, healthcare, nursing, IT or engineering, just to name a few sectors. What the right-wing parties and their supporters are propagating is not only inhumane and amoral, it is also economically disastrous. It is these unscrupulous opportunists who are ruining the country with their racist hate; not the migrants - quite the opposite.
Migration is not a problem itself. It is uncontrolled migration that is. It is normal when you have a lot of people coming in your country that don’t get papers so they can’t find normal job, appartment etc that they will turn to criminality to survive. IMO I think it is inhuman to let people in these situations. I am far more for more border control and easily giving papers to people who want to come to the country than letting borders open and ignoring them and letting them rot in the street.
you either willfully or unknowingly spout far-right conspiracy theory between the lines.
migration is not only normal, but essential to the survival of the planet and each country/region. it’s a net positive.
we’ve gone so far out of our way to make it a “we” vs “them”, when there’s no “we” at all. there’s just rich people protecting their interests, trying (and suceeding) to divide the masses
You guys are so focused in your bi party that people being able to not see in black and white are always your political ennemy.
My point is I am 100% for giving more visa and in an easier way to people so they can live their lives in the system like everyone. I have friends that have no papers and have been living 5 years already and won’t have anything for at least five more years. This is not acceptable. They are working here (not officially of course since no visa) and paying tax.
But also we can’t welcome everyone too because the system couldn’t handle it. The state need to have a way to reduce and also increase when needed.
But right now here, you have some countries that will have access to visa in an instant but others that will do all the work we don’t want to do and have to wait sometimes 10 years to have access to papers.
Explain to me what is far right conspiracy in my point.
Yes they are ignored, when you refuse to give a visa to someone that has been living for years in your country, paying tax and doing the work no one want to do, you are in fact ignoring them.
When you don’t have paper where I am from you can’t get a real job, you can’t rent a normal flat with a contract. You have to live without guaranties like knowing you will work tomorrow or if you are going to sleep in your appartment.
I was asking myself the same thing but formulated as “are people getting more stupid?”. With the right rising and the most stupid shit like chemtrail conspiracies.
I really don’t get why so many people think the migration is their biggest problem instead of economy and especially demography in Germany. The industry is stuck in the 20th century, that’s the main problem which needs to be addressed, not if there are some migrants here and there.
Because none of the big party wants to acknowledge that, random example, abolishing the wealth tax was a bad idea. Not even the bloody SPD: They’re not addressing social issues, aren’t addressing people’s fears for the future, aren’t addressing the lack of perspectives, which leaves room for demagogues. Because doing that would mean that they need to make actual changes to the system, and why would the SPD implement SocDem policies there’s a reason they’re known as the traitor party.
It’s, in short, a lack of balls in the SPD’s political base to get rid of the Seeheimer circle. Get rid of that New Labour nonsense. Maybe, you know, when Berlin (as in the city state) votes to expropriate large landlords you take that as a sign that you fucked up and change course, instead of trying your best to not have to implement the expropriation. “But won’t someone think about market confidence!” MFers did it help market confidence when the east went full-on AfD. Get a grip.
It’s always easier to blame others then think about how to improve yourselves.
Which is especially sad in Germany, because we ought to have learnt from the mistakes of the past and mastered the art of improving ourselves. The stereotype of a German being overly critical was true for exactly that reason. Apparently the Generation that should have learned it from first hand simply forgot.
Certainly when areas of improvement are controlled by rich people who in general like to contribute being rich.
Propaganda.
And scapegoating
Yup, that’s one flavour of propaganda. Others include racism and xenophobia, all different kinds of fear mongering from stealing jobs to raping “your” women, flat out lies like people eating pets, nationalism, exceptionalism (sadly not only an American problem), and so on. It is everywhere in pretty much all the media we consume consciously and un/subconsciously, even the most left leaning people can’t completely avoid it, we just work harder at being aware of it and (in general, should) do our best to combat it in our own minds and the minds of others.
Exactly. What’s more, demographic change alone has led to an urgent need for workers from abroad in Germany. This applies to low-skilled as well as highly skilled workers - for example in crafts, catering, healthcare, nursing, IT or engineering, just to name a few sectors. What the right-wing parties and their supporters are propagating is not only inhumane and amoral, it is also economically disastrous. It is these unscrupulous opportunists who are ruining the country with their racist hate; not the migrants - quite the opposite.
Migration is not a problem itself. It is uncontrolled migration that is. It is normal when you have a lot of people coming in your country that don’t get papers so they can’t find normal job, appartment etc that they will turn to criminality to survive. IMO I think it is inhuman to let people in these situations. I am far more for more border control and easily giving papers to people who want to come to the country than letting borders open and ignoring them and letting them rot in the street.
That sounds like an argument for a robust social safety net, not an argument against immigration.
Also an argument against work restrictions.
It’s not like there isn’t anything that needs doing.
Unfortunately even the safest nets will tear if overloaded
[citation needed]
you either willfully or unknowingly spout far-right conspiracy theory between the lines.
migration is not only normal, but essential to the survival of the planet and each country/region. it’s a net positive. we’ve gone so far out of our way to make it a “we” vs “them”, when there’s no “we” at all. there’s just rich people protecting their interests, trying (and suceeding) to divide the masses
You guys are so focused in your bi party that people being able to not see in black and white are always your political ennemy.
My point is I am 100% for giving more visa and in an easier way to people so they can live their lives in the system like everyone. I have friends that have no papers and have been living 5 years already and won’t have anything for at least five more years. This is not acceptable. They are working here (not officially of course since no visa) and paying tax.
But also we can’t welcome everyone too because the system couldn’t handle it. The state need to have a way to reduce and also increase when needed. But right now here, you have some countries that will have access to visa in an instant but others that will do all the work we don’t want to do and have to wait sometimes 10 years to have access to papers.
Explain to me what is far right conspiracy in my point.
Most “far right” people are exactly the kind that made the comment you reply to. I have a “friend” that became exactly like this.
So telling that I am 100% behind legalizing people and let them live and work normally is being far right ?
They’re not being ignored tho, they’re just not allowed to work
Yes they are ignored, when you refuse to give a visa to someone that has been living for years in your country, paying tax and doing the work no one want to do, you are in fact ignoring them. When you don’t have paper where I am from you can’t get a real job, you can’t rent a normal flat with a contract. You have to live without guaranties like knowing you will work tomorrow or if you are going to sleep in your appartment.
That’s why support for anti immigration parties is so concentrated in regions with few immigrants
This is definitely not the case in Sweden. During their last election it was the complete opposite.
And why do you think it’s like that?
Bigotry of small-minded people who live in communities that need more diversity.
Found one.
One ?
I was asking myself the same thing but formulated as “are people getting more stupid?”. With the right rising and the most stupid shit like chemtrail conspiracies.
The answer seems to be a disinformation campaign.
https://www.politico.eu/article/fbi-dossier-reveals-russian-psy-ops-disinformation-campaign-election-europe/
We are at war, they try to divide us and it is working.
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