The last major holdouts in the protest against Reddit’s API pricing relented, abandoning the so-called “John Oliver rules” which only allowed posts featuring the TV host. It's the official end of the battle. The Reddit protest is over, and Reddit won.
  • FReddit@lemmy.world
    57·
    2 years ago

    Bullshit. This is a biased article.

    As a other person commented, I won. No need for reddit at this point.

    And user name checks out.

  • NotSpez@lemm.ee
    40·
    2 years ago

    The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.

    • LemmyLefty@lemmy.world
      14·
      2 years ago

      Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.

      • Decoy321@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 years ago

        Reddit won’t actually die, it’ll just be a hollow shell of what it once was.

        To illustrate my point, Digg still exists.

        • Paradox@lemdro.idEnglish
          4·
          2 years ago

          Have you been to digg recently? It’s a buzzfeed clone. Just because the brand is still around doesn’t mean it’s the same product at all

          It’s like if I bought Nike and then killed off all their product lines and only sold high viscosity lithium grease. Yeah Nike would be around, but it would be meaningless beyond that

      • fer0n@lemm.ee
        0·
        2 years ago

        I agree. I don’t think we’re there yet, but next time the they give people another reason to leave the Lemmy/kbin ecosystem will be even more appealing. Simply the app and dev community here is really exploding.

    • Ilovemyirishtemper@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 years ago

      I agree with you. Actually, Lemmy woke me up to how much reddit had already been enshitified. I didn’t realize that I had stopped commenting altogether because the subs were so big that either no one saw your stuff, or there was always some one pissed off who felt the need to respond. Lemmy reminds me of reddit the way it was when I joined 12 years ago.

      • XanXic@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 years ago

        Not sure if you only posted on the mainsubs or what but Reddit really did hit that “hyper specific topic conversation” for me. Like up to the protests I could make a meme about a topic or reply to a post and have good discussions. When I deleted all my posts I deleted some of the top of all time posts off some subs lol.

        Lemmy still hasnt hit that for me, I’m another in a swarm of people saying Lemmy doesn’t fulfill my topic based sub needs. Like I’m currently obsessed with Marvel Snap and loved the subreddit. The lemmy version is dead af. And I try to converse and interact but none of the lemmy filters for posts seem to show the posts reliably to me and I have to remember to go check it. The Spider-Man PS4 sub was another favorite of mine to interact with and I ended up having to make it for Lemmy and it’s got like 80 subscribers and I make a point to comment on every post but it’s still not getting much conversation going 😞

        • megsmagik@feddit.it
          1·
          2 years ago

          Same problem, I put some community in my favorites so I remember to check them out but we need more people here (but not too much people!)

        • focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 years ago

          do you really need a forum to talk about marvel snap? lol. just saying that card game is pretty fun but easy. what is there to talk about? (tongue in cheek)

      • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        And forget about trying to post articles on any subreddit. Always buried with 0 votes, because some bot network is trying to promote the latest Barbie movie or whatever.

        • 🇸‌🇵‌🇪‌🇨‌🇺‌🇱‌🇦‌🇹‌🇪‌🇷‌@lemmy.world
          0·
          2 years ago

          Or subs like gaming having posts with 4 comments and 7,000 up votes “I was recently diagnosed with stage 7 cancer and my dog died, but I created this game as my final contribution to humanity, here’s a trailer.”

          2D Hollow Knight rip off video

          Comments: “Wow amazing graphics!” “Is it on steam?!” “Looks amazing!” “I neeeeeed this!!”

          Any attempt to call the ad out is -200

          • glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org
            1·
            2 years ago

            Or the powermod that hates you for unknown reason and will ban you forever. And the shadow bans. I don’t regret that place.

        • PredictiveTextNames@lemmy.world
          02·
          2 years ago

          Yea tbh Lemmy is kinda crap and definitely feels like only a short stop on the next major platform after reddit.

          Not enough of reddit left the site so Lemmy is still very slow for content in comparison and lacks the more granular content that made reddit so good.

    • JDPoZ@kbin.social
      2·
      2 years ago

      It won’t die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work… but they won’t be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It’s a cycle it seems.

      • Wolf Link 🐺@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        It won’t die. It will just hollow out.

        The result is still basically the same IMHO. It’s like saying “it won’t die, it will just turn into a zombie” … sure it’ll still move, but it’s dead inside and rotting on the outside either way, devoid of the life and soul it once had.

    • speck@kbin.social
      2·
      2 years ago

      It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It’s just… idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That’s all. Life continues here, life continues there

      • Uranium3006@kbin.social
        1·
        2 years ago

        facebook’s on the decline, meta’s betting on instagram since that’s what the kids use. facebook is for boomers to looking at family vacation photos and nazi radicalising and is a legacy service at this point.

        • focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 years ago

          do you know what a ‘boomer’ is? it’s slang for ‘baby boomer’ and it’s a specific age range of people born at specific times. plenty of people younger than that are on FB every day. just saying, if you didn’t know what ‘boomer’ was, it doesn’t just mean ‘old person’.

        • 999@kbin.social
          1·
          2 years ago

          Maybe Facebook got so big and their search is so good that people just stopped using Google search for it, but I have a hard time believing that can be responsible for a drop of this magnitude.

          I would say you’re probably right. Remember this old gem?

        • new_guy@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 years ago

          Facebook (the page) is dead in the sense that its parent company changed their name to not be the same as their (once powerhouse) product. Facebook trademark is so unbelievably cursed due to what it became that they’re pretending that it does not exist.

          Meta is focusing on Instagram for now. They could’ve launched Threads within Facebook (I think it was at some point) but they choose not to. Instagram is how they reach out to the people.

          This means that Facebook was enshittified successfully. It does not serve any purpose now.

          I don’t think Reddit has the same choice as they don’t really have means to pivot to something else. It will just cease to be… Or not.

          • slazer2au@lemmy.world
            0·
            2 years ago

            I understand why the didn’t do threads in Facebook incase they need to shut it down. Kinda like how they have Messenger then purchased WhatsApp but never integrated it if they want to shut one down.

    • Ktheone@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      Honestly I’m happy with a slow death than a big freaking one. A humongous explosion is not always a good thing lol.

    • expatriado@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens

      There won’t be a day when reddit goes away, it will be a gradual decline, digg still exist.

    • deejay4am@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      Right? The protest was just the lighter. Now we watch as the fuse burns. Fuck off Gizmodo, Reddit didn’t win shit yet

    • Zalack@startrek.website
      0·
      2 years ago

      I can’t tell if it’s just cognitive bias on my part but I feel like the content and discussion has gotten even worse on Reddit since the protests.

    • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
      0·
      2 years ago

      I doubt it. Only few people left and they’ll just get a bunch of new people in to replace the lost ones. It’s just a little dent in their statistics.

      • Veloxization@yiffit.net
        2·
        2 years ago

        Lemmy is open-source software. If the project root starts doing something stupid or gets abandoned, it can just be forked by someone else and it will live on.

  • HairyBricks@lemmy.world
    241·
    2 years ago

    This article is b*******. Reddit didn’t win, Reddit is a scorched Earth, with most of its useful quality data stripped from it. I for one didn’t know what was going on for about a month, and was wondering why all the good posts were gone, it wasn’t until someone explained to me what Reddit was doing and how it would cause the rest of the internet to do the same that I finally understood why everyone trashed Reddit on the way out.

  • excitingburp@lemmy.world
    21·
    2 years ago

    There isn’t always a victor when there is a loser (and visa versa fwiw). Reddit didn’t win here, Redditors lost.

  • rix141@lemmy.world
    20·
    2 years ago

    Just started using lemmy 30 minutes ago, because i realized reddit had become boring and stale since the protests, i guess they actually did do some damage.

    Anyway im here to try out lemmy lets see hoq it goes

  • TheLurker@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    2 years ago

    Major social media platforms don’t just explode and go extinct, they slowly slip into irrelevancy.

    Digg still exists, no-one cares. Tumblr still exists, no-one cares. Myspace still exists, no-one cares. The list goes on and on.

  • RQG@lemmy.world
    11·
    2 years ago

    I think I won. I found a place I like more than reddit. Maybe we won even. We all got this place right here now. It’s nice.

    Maybe reddit won. Maybe they wanted to get rid of us and succeeded. Could be easier to milk the platform for shareholders after getting rid of anyone who would protest beforehand.

    Maybe it doesn’t matter because neither side needs the other anymore. Both sides changed and don’t fit back together anymore.

    Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.

    • hitmyspot@aussie.zone
      3·
      2 years ago

      I hope we all win. I miss Reddit. There was a more diverse range of communities that matched my interests. My list is subscribed communities here is growing but some are dead.

      That will grow over time and many are. I’m finding there is increasing engagement and comments on many posts and this engagement should breed more engagement.

      • Unforeseen@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        I think all the mobile apps for lemmy becoming available helps a lot too. Even from several weeks ago the experience is way way better.

        Also all of the major instabilities I saw at first are getting worked out very fast

        I’m seeing the increasing engagement too

    • Rentlar@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      I agree. If Reddit won, the victory was pyrrhic if anything. Their whole plan to end 3rd party app support could have been just a small road bump if they had just done it transparently and planned it with reasonably thought out timelines. They instead chose to do a whole front flip over it and get everyone mad, tanking their brand while trying to make it look like nothing happened.

      Anyways, congratulations on your victory. Here’s your prize: ❤

      • spearz@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Ex-Apollo/Reddit 10+ years here. I really can’t understand why they didn’t offer API users the ability to pay for the add-free access they were afforded by their apps (if that’s what it was supposed to be about). Did they really think that they could force people to use the dumpster-fire that is the official Reddit app? …at the cost of losing a significant, or at least active, percentage of their user base? That’s insane. I haven’t logged in to my Reddit account since and I no longer visit old.reddit.com. Appreciate going cold turkey isn’t for everyone, but … fuck it. When social media companies stop allowing you to view their content in the way you enjoy, it should tell you how valued you are by them.

        • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          2 years ago

          It’s fairly simple: a social media platform’s value isn’t just a matter of income but also of potential income and how well it can control its users behavior. Preventing users from curating their experience creates more potential avenues for advertising.

          What advertisers want are eyeballs (and user data to better their strategies). The API being open means Reddit can’t control where all the eyeballs on their platform are looking, which reduces the value of Reddit.

          What advertisers want from reddit, and what will increase reddit’s valuation, is for reddit to say “We can control where 100% of our user’s eyeballs are and what they’re looking at 100% of the time”. For example, that’s why the Facebook feed straight up ignores your settings and shows you whatever it wants.

          The API access could make them money but not nearly as much as as they’ll make by demonstrating to advertisers how much control over the user experience they have.

    • lobut@lemmy.ca
      0·
      2 years ago

      I don’t need to win or anything I gave up on Reddit. What’s funny is that I donate to Lemmy and never ever bought Reddit premium.

    • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
      0·
      2 years ago

      Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.

      It’s not dumb. It’s the canary in the coal mine. It’s showing that people don’t actually give a shit and will continually subject themselves to more and more abuse rather than simply moving to a new platform.

      And it’s showing this to other corporations who continue to enshittify the internet.

      • RQG@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Imo it is dumb that media always frames anything happening like a sports event. This binary win or lose narrative rarely if ever captures the complexity of a situation. It’s the strongest in the US where sensationalism is striving to become an art form due to the two party system. When there are only two competing sites politics can quickly feel like a sports event. And democracy dies to lack of actual discussion and lack of options.

  • Skyraptor7@lemmy.world
    10·
    2 years ago

    That title is a bit misleading. Reddit mods might have stopped protesting, but the news of the implosion was quite significant. The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this. I don’t think their IPO is going to be as strong as they had hoped. That financial impact is quite opposite of the victory they claim to have achieved.

    Also, the posts on Reddit and the responses have declined in quality in my opinion.

    • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml
      4·
      2 years ago

      the post quality sincerely feels reminiscent of when I started using reddit a decade ago, might as well be posting rage comics again. so much vile shit is making it to the front page too.

      glad I finally got the kick I needed to jump ship, i’m really enjoying what I’ve seen on lemmy and hexbear

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      They pissed off a lot of their quality submitters, who either moved somewhere else or decided the hell with it, and they’re doing other things now entirely.

      When I upped stakes and left, I did indeed up my stakes. I torched all of my posts and comments, which means that, yes, all of my typical reddit bickering is lost to time now. But so is all the specialty knowledge about specific topics I’d put into posts and comments which are now gone from their platform entirely. Outside of the usual cats/porn/vidya/political bickering cycle on reddit, a large portion of what made it valuable to people was (were?) all the niche subs full of knowledgeable people posting information and answering questions about whatever the topic was. The reddit administration didn’t just piss off the power mods, it pissed off all the people contributing to those subs as well.

    • Doog@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I’ve been browsing Reddit logged out and haven’t seen even one thing that made me want to comment since the apps got shut down. It really does seem like the content quality has tanked.

    • antonim@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this.

      Lemmy has existed before the reddit shitshow.

  • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
    8·
    2 years ago

    Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.

    I’m not going back to reddit, there’s simply no need.

  • Ironfist@sh.itjust.works
    8·
    2 years ago

    Thats how a lot of people, including me, ended up here on Lemmy, so I’m still glad it happened. Here I feel like im in the early days of the internet again and its great.

  • Sebo@lemmy.one
    7·
    2 years ago

    I don’t think its as boolean as winning or loosing, i’m enjoying lemmy and haven’t used reddit since :)