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One can do a good action and a bad action at the same time. They can support a national liberation struggle and oppress their citizens at the same time. I don’t know why you’d have to make a final verdict, countries are not people you should hang out with. They are bureaucratic entities with interests that are a lot of the times opposite to those of the people. How about all counties are bad?
Also I don’t understand why you would hold the poorest country in the world that was facing a genocide and the worst humanitarian crisis in earth 5-10 years ago by the Saudis and the US to the same social standards as the West. These people are hungry, poor, destroyed in every way and up until recently had to fight to gain their independence. Who do you expect to rule except for these Houthi fighters? If the west and the Saudis had let them live, then we could talk. I see this stupid take so often like with Afghanistan, it’s frustrating.
Who do you expect to rule except for these Houthi fighters?
Holy fucking shit, please look into the history of the Yemeni Civil War. The idea of the Houthis as fighting for the independence of the Yemeni people is beyond absurd.
That’s some “Who do you expect to rule except the Taliban” level take-
I see this stupid take so often like with Afghanistan, it’s frustrating.
… of course.
I was on the side of Houthis after being oppressed by American-backed, Saudi-led military forces. But now it became clear they are lackeys of Iran who attack innocent sailors, who have no dog in the geopolitical dick measuring contest.
Yeah. I was never on the side of the Houthis, but I considered our support for Saudi-backed murderers instead of Iranian-backed murderers to be utterly pointless, except negatively insofar as it involved us backing a bunch of vile fuckers in a conflict we had no business being in.
Still wouldn’t support the Saudis if it were up to me. But now I certainly support retaliating against the Houthis until they stop attacking international civilian shipping.
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That’s novel.
I know the comments are immediately filled by these assholes but I’m glad they are being down voted and OP is being up voted.
Its so akward to engage with people like that… it’s like people supporting russia because ukraine is supported by america. 2 can be shit at once. Its not that hard.
If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis…
if in some bizzare, hypothetical fantasy world, isis somehow invaded israel and stopped the ongoing genocide there and delivered a perfect two state solution overnight, would you be morally against specifically that action because it was isis who did it?
to be clear, i’m not asking whether you’d be against isis as a whole: just whether you’d be against isis ending the current israel-palestine situation peacefully
This is you “so what if hypothetically Putin solves world hunger, homelessness, and redistributed all wealth so everyone was on equal playing field. Oh, oh. And he disarmed all their nukes and led the disarmament of all nuclear armed nations? Oh AND He helped solved climate change? Then would think he’s a good guy?” Like those hypotheticals are bonkers and useless.
If they did that I’d be grateful to them. And if I had wheels I’d be a wagon.
Wagon dat azzz
I remember when Al-Qaeda was condemning ISIS and the entire world was like confused agreement
Alrighty. I’ll bite. Link me to a source.
So we’ve got one comment, from one rando on the internet… And that was enough to go make this shitass meme.
I thought there would be something more substantial, like a Bernie Sanders staffer’s sister’s tweet or something.
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So we’ve got one comment, from one rando on the internet… And that was enough to go make this shitass meme.
I could spend all day grabbing examples, but I know it wouldn’t matter to you. :)
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Just scroll down bro. They’re here.
Scroll the whole thread before I commented. Have any shown up in the last two hours?
Edit: No, or they are from users on a blocked instance? Can someone link them here?
Ah yes…
I am very disturbed by mean words on a flag and a naval blockade in protest to an ongoing genocide.
Hmmm
Clearly this is a full on commitment to the cause of the houthis /s
Dang, never mind about scrolling down, just find a mirror.
How very predictable that you regard downplaying atrocities from an insanely bigoted and oppressive government as ‘mean words on a flag’ as unexceptional.
Campism is a hell of a drug
It’s the same jabronis that approved of russia bombing a childrens hospital.
It’s bad when Russia does it and it’s bad Isreal does it
I just want to oppose Israeli genocide without saying that the “A Curse Upon The Jews” folks targeting random countries’ civilian shipping are kosher (ha) because they said they’re doing it for A Really Good Cause, Promise™, despite the utter lack of apparent effect on that cause, and dubious mechanisms for even its theoretical effect on that cause.
Israeli genocide? Or the Houthis having “A Curse Upon The Jews” on their flag?
The Houthis thing. The Israeli genocide is fairly straight forward to understand.
Bonus: Apple spellcheck does its damnedest to not acknowledge the genocide. Someone should have words with Tim Apple.
They’re a very ‘colorful’ bunch.
God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam
Yay. More religious wing nuts. Just what we need more of these days. 🙄
2/5, try again.
What does this mean
There’s 5 points, I support 2 of them.
Works on mine.
That’s how I got banned from 196 calling out bs like that. Pretty sure /u/Moss is a full blown tankie
196? Where the banner reads “Fuck tankies”?
Go have a conversation with Moss about Hamas. I’m paraphrasing here because it’s been half a year, but what I said that got me banned was that the Hamas leadership and the Israeli leadership both spend the lives of Palestinians like Monopoly money. It’s in the best interest of the leadership of both parties for the conflict to continue. Neither side wants peace and the civilians are fucked because of it.
I was banned for being a genocide Apologist. While also condemning the genocide…
Fundies and tankies there never was a better match made.
Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Israel has been the only one to reject the UN Resolution 3-Stage Permanent Ceasefire put forth by the US. So how do you think that both sides don’t want peace? One side wants the end of a violent apartheid settler colonialist occupation, the other wants the complete ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people from Palestine.
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During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.
Before that, both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing
Settlements
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
One or Two State Solution
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
- Avi Shlaim
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Well it seems most self-proclained “lefties” here have an appalling understanding of what that is and below the shallows they are quite misaligned with that side of the spectrum. Their words they one thing, their behaviour and outbursts a much more truthful thing. The term is nothing more than a Get Out of Jail FREE card for them.
Fucking psychopaths would see the Palestinian laborer crushed under the boot of theocracy purely because “they shoot at jews sometimes tho.”
A little mask off there saying “Jews” instead of “Israelis”
Yes how mask off of me to point out the mask off rhetoric of Houthi stans.
That shared braincell spending an early weekend with the ex?
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no, it really isn’t.
what’s your position on western sanctions on russia? innocent russians have definitely died as a result of the sanctions
do you agree with the notion of a blockade but not with the specific group doing it? can an action be bad solely because of the party that’s enacting it?
Enforcing a punitive economic strategy isn’t the same as engaging in glorified pirate terrorism because Iran told you to but you totally insist it’s for palestinian liberation toats mcgoats my dudes!
Speaking as a Palestinian, fuck the houthis and their opportunistic bullshit with a hot iron.
what’s your position on western sanctions on russia?
My position is that intentionally attacking civilians with military force is indefensible. I don’t know why that’s suddenly popular on some corners of the online left.
do you agree with the notion of a blockade but not with the specific group doing it?
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I dispute that the Houthis are genuinely attempting to blockade Israel
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I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel
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I dispute that, even if their blockade was successful, that it would meaningfully impact Israel’s ongoing genocide, considering that most trade that passes through the area isn’t going to Israel, and that the amount of trade that does pass through to Israel through Eilat is not nearly significant enough to damage their ongoing efforts, which are not exactly stymied by a lack of cars from China or a lack of diamonds from India.
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I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable. There are laws in the modern day, it’s not the fucking Bronze Age.
I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel
so their actions are bad because you don’t think they’ll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism
I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable.
again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people
so you’re fine with people dying, just so long as they do it from freezing to death in their homes rather than by direct military action?
so their actions are bad because you don’t think they’ll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism
Thanks for giving up the game and admitting that you support this not because it blockades under 10% of Israel’s trade, but because it disrupts non-Israeli trade.
again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people
I’m sorry that the words ‘attack’ and ‘war crime’ mean nothing to you.
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Sanctions are not a blockade. Sanctions would be the Houthis stopping all of their own trade with Israel for example. The Houthis blockading Israel mesns they try to stop everybody from trading with Israel by force. Hence a blockade is an act of war.
And no I do not believe somebody being vegan is an act of war.
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“Israel is genociding Palestine! Obviously, this means that we MUST kill Filipino civilian sailors on a Greek boat going to Saudi Arabia to stop Israel!”
Brilliant. Have fun with that.
I will.
It small beer next to ghoulish memeing while Israel is 50000 murders into genocide and is doubling down and escalating while you fuck about in photoshop for upvotes .
It small beer next to ghoulish memeing while Israel is 50000 murders into genocide and is doubling down and escalating while you fuck about in photoshop for upvotes .
I’m sorry, I’ll limp my crippled ass to Yemen and volunteer to murder civilians for the Houthis instead of posting a meme.
You’re a god damned hero o7
It ain’t ghoulish to point out that theocrats aren’t part of liberation you fucking twat.
“Critical support to the spanish inquisition in their struggle against wester imperialism!”
That’s you, that’s what you’re trying to do whenever you try to act like the houthis deserve anything but to get shit on for what they’ve done to their own people, nevermind the civilians they’re murdering for happening to be in the region.
The mind is boggled. Has the word genocide lost all meaning ?
If it has then it’s largely your fault.
Wel thanks very much but modesty prevents me from taking all the credit.
I am very disturbed by mean words on a flag and a naval blockade in protest to an ongoing genocide.
Hmmm
“Naval blockade” here meaning “attacking random civilian ships in international waters because they MIGHT be Jews”
Yes, I am sure this is how a naval blockade against a particular country works, you just pick a handful of civilian ships at random to shoot at and claim they were secretly part of your enemies. War crimes are okay when it’s Your Side (and apparently, your side is the Islamofascists, very curious)
EDIT: Of course, they’re a Tiananmen Square denier too. How predictable.
Doing more to stop a genocide than the western powers sending weapons.
How many war crimes on balance?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-monitor/
Your source is shit and so are theirs.
Bending over backwards to support theocrats is not revolutionary praxis, it’s licking the boot that belongs to whoever you like more.
Being against Israel is not the one and only measure for whether a group is good or not
Stop doing a genocide.
Stop blockading the genociders!
You first.
Stop blockading the genociders!
Yes, the genociders like [checks notes] Greece, China, and India.
Maybe if you attack enough civilians, you’ll accidentally hit some Israelis. Keep going!
So how many innocent blockade runners have died vs innocent civilians been genocided?
So how many innocent blockade runners have died vs innocent civilians been genocided?
I guess “Intentionally targeting civilians and committing war crimes is bad” sounds like radical shitlib stuff to you, as long as the people you claim to oppose (but are targeting and killing people entirely unrelated to them) are committing more war crimes.
Doing more to stop a genocide than the western powers sending weapons.
“By killing Fillipino civilian sailors heading to Saudi Arabia, this will finally stop the genocide of Palestinians by Israel!”
Have fun with your war crimes.
How many war crimes on balance?
‘on balance’?
What, is this some kind of fucking game to you? “They committed war crimes, so we can commit so war crimes too”? Jesus fucking Christ. How utterly morally bankrupt.
So one vs 42,000 and counting. Quite logical.
“Whoever commits fewer war crimes is moral and whatever war crimes they did were good and justified.” Quite logical.
Somebody killing people doesn’t give you a right to kill random unrelated people, just because you are killing fewer people
Murdering civilians intentionally is inexcusable regardless of how many.
By your logic literally every genocide the US supported and engaged in would have been completely excused had they just struck the right KD ratio by throwing their death row inmates at the enemy first.
Murdering filipinos to upset the israelis. Yes, totally a naval blockade and not just unhinged terrorism.
