• SeanBrently@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    So practically speaking, there is no anti-genocide vote. There is no health care for everyone vote. There is no reduction in firearm caused deaths of children and teens vote. There is no anti corporate regulatory capture vote. These things just are not possible to achieve in America by voting.

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      1 month ago

      Yes. This is correct. Kudos to you for reaching the correct conclusion. It’s difficult to admit the system is fucked beyond repair; the fundamental shortcoming of Jill Stein voters. The only hope is to continue voting for the most progressive of the two candidates and pressure the winner to change the system (if that is even possible)

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      1 month ago

      There is a vote for MORE or LESS of all of the above. It’s not like your vote doesn’t matter. Do you want more genocide, or less genocide? “No genocide” isn’t an option. So do you want more genocide, or less genocide?

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        1 month ago

        OK I want LESS.

        I have been wanting less for a long time. Those things I want LESS of don’t seem to be reduced by much since I became eligible to vote. Voting’s not enough.

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          Awesome, vote Democrat.

          Voting’s not enough.

          Almost correct. There’s just not enough voting. Having a razor thin Democrat majority doesn’t net us any victories, it just prevents (most) catastrophe. You want progress, give us a 5-senator majority (enough to override the Manchins and Sinemas). You want major progress, give us 60 dems, to bypass the filiburster. Though, Democrats finally seem willing to end the filibuster rule, so at least we should see some progress on that front.

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        1 month ago

        Which is which? Like, seriously. Put the recent headlines about Israel’s actions against the other guy’s vague, contradictory statements and demonstrated lack of deep interest in foreign affairs. It’s not clear at all.

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          Put the recent headlines about Israel’s actions against the other guy’s vague, contradictory statements and demonstrated lack of deep interest in foreign affairs.

          You’re comparing Netanyahu to Trump? I don’t understand.

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            1 month ago

            For what it’s worth, I’m comparing what’s actually happening (genocide and the Middle East spiraling into war) with Democrats in office (tsk-tsking but providing material support to Netanyahu) to what history shows would likely happen with the other guy in office (hot air and bombast, but almost certainly not any greater material support).

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              You know Trump has called for the extermination of all Palestinians, right? If you think Trump will be soft on Palestinians…well, you don’t. You’re lying. If you’re saying Trump would (or even might) be easier on Palestinians than Biden or Harris, you’re just straight up lying. There’s no possible way to be ignorant enough to make an honest mistake there. It’s a lie, and probably propaganda, because why else would you say it?

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                1 month ago

                More directly relevant, many members of Netanyahu’s government have also called for the extermination of all Palestinians, and they have the U.S. government providing political cover while they do it.