The new law that bans gender-affirming care for minors also mandates that adult patients seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person. Those rules have proven particularly onerous because many people received care from nurse practitioners and used telehealth. The law also made it a crime to violate the new requirements.
Another new law that allows doctors and pharmacists to refuse to treat transgender people further limits their options.
I honestly don’t think the laws requiring a doctor and informed consent are bad, it really is a major health and life change to take hormones or have reassignment surgery. don’t think a doctor should be able to refuse care without a VERY good reason, though. Also: fuck DeSantis, people should get the hell out of Florida.
Edit: I’m being downvoted but not sure why… So is taking hormones/blockers or getting reassignment surgery not a major health and life change? One shouldn’t get advice and care from a professional when doing so?
Oh, so this is just like r/politics
I hope the mods aren’t as willing to give bigots the benefit of the doubt as they are on reddit.
edit: I see I had no reason to entertain such a hope.
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Every political subreddit has some variant of that same rule.
Report heavy on this thread, made more difficult because the comment links are not working. There are still a few I can’t find yet.
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“Blindsided” is incorrect. If you are a minority living in Florida and you’re just now realizing that The government is less than amenable towards you then you have been willfully ignorant at best.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Like many transgender adults in Florida, he and Lucas are now facing tough choices, including whether to uproot their lives so that they can continue to access gender-confirming care.
Lucas, 26, lost his access to treatment when the Orlando clinic that prescribed him hormone replacement therapy stopped providing gender-affirming care altogether.
But SPEKTRUM Health Inc., the Orlando clinic that prescribed Lucas hormone replacement therapy, has stopped providing gender-affirming care.
“There are a lot of people looking for care that we’re no longer legally able to provide,” said Lana Dunn, SPEKTRUM Health’s chief operating officer.
Florida has the second-largest population of transgender adults in the U.S., at an estimated 94,900 people, according to the Williams Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.
While SPEKTRUM has bolstered its mental health services since the law passed, it and other organizations heavily rely on nurse practitioners to provide care.
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It’s almost as if it was never about children???
Fascism always needs a Boogeyman
Actually fucking painful the amount of people I had this argument with, hate being vindicated in this way. It was never about the children, it’s purely about hate.
It’s never, ever about the children. Even abortion isn’t about the children. Children are just a convenient and effective red herring.
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Now now, they also care about them as soon as they’re old enough to enlist in the military. But as soon as their service is over, fuck 'em again.
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Or it’s just transphobe fanfiction posted in hate forums.
If Republicans cared in the slightest about children, they would have done something after Sandy Hook other than make up conspiracy theories.
like the wise man said “if youre preborn youre fine. if youre preschool youre fucked.”
That’s a minority of people who aren’t conservative so much as they are extremist. Just very vocal. On the other end of the spectrum, there are actual people who want to transition their toddlers. They are also very vocal.
But so now you have people leaning left judging everyone right of them by the most vocal extremists on the right side, and vice versa. And then the divide between left and right seems to widen, because in politics it’s apparently law that every action be met with an even bolder counter action, so if you try and be neutral about any of this you’ll lose your mind!
Can’t you see that this isn’t even about you versus me, both actually just very mildly distant in our ideals, but about you and me versus whoever is profiting over us spending the time to debate this in the first place?
there are actual people who want to transition their toddlers
And what do you imagine such transition would entail?
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I get this response a lot, but I also see a lot of those crazies online. There are actual people who do want to bring children into this. (Using them as scapegoats to push some third agenda is another topic.)
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The same reasoning the Nazies called themselves socialist, despite being a fascist dictatorship. Why China says they are communist, while being a dictatorship with limited capitalism. And the US thinking it’s a democracy when it’s a Oligarchy with limited local democracy.
Dumb people think words mean more than actions/reality.
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As in because the pendulum swings from the far left to the far right? Or were you just mistakenly conflating those two completely opposite political theories?
Calling the Nazis far right is ignoring that their politics were more complicated than a simple 2D spectrum. They adopted ideas from both left and right.
They certainly adopt rhetoric from the left which helps them get elected, then enact exclusively right-wing policies when they actually have power, sure. Fascists usually use populist rhetoric to get into power but then they never do anything to actually reduce inequality (because that would be the opposite of fascism).
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Not all authoritarianism is fascism. All fascism is authoritarian, of course, but fascism isn’t the only authoritarian system of government.
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Stop targeting kids with child marriage, beauty parents and abusers in the church. Those are real problems that children face.
You don’t give a damn about children. This is entirely about targeting a class of people you hate, with kids as the excuse, and it’s fucking vile and evil.
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Then why is “stop targeting kids” seen as transphobic if it’s nothing to do with kids?
Because the bigots who say it aren’t saying it about people who are targeting kids. They’re falsely accusing trans people of targeting kids.
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Because people like you repeatedly say trans people are grooming kids, just like people like you said gay men were grooming kids, just like people like you said black men were grooming your kids (to do drugs).
Personally, I don’t see what is “curious” about responding to wild accusations against an entire minority group with a resounding “that’s not happening and you’re using a dog whistle to dehumanize trans people.”
Things may be less “curious” for you if, instead of starting with a conclusion and working backwards to justify/explain it, you started with a question/hypothesis and worked towards a logical conclusion. Just a suggestion.
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If you think reading a book to children is predatory grooming then that might be a you problem.
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Just call them names
You’re calling people pedos (EDIT: and fascists) because they don’t hate trans people.
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What school material? Please show this material. And who is forcing them to go to drag shows?
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Because nobody in the LGBT community is targeting kids with anything, so when you make that implication, you are perpetuating an offensive and recently extremely dangerous stereotype which has actually gotten people killed already.
Just in case you aren’t actually trolling and legitimately don’t understand this.
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Pro life…until you’re out of the womb… then you’re on your own… and get to work!.. didn’t you hear about the rollback of child labor laws?
Funny how the same people supporting this law oppose universal school breakfast/lunches, subsidized neonatal/child healthcare, and funding for extracurricular programs.
only if those programs support minorities. government-funded school breakfasts or lunches, healthcare subsidies, and funding for school extracurricular programs are all A-OK as long as we can make sure it only happens at schools that primarily serve rich white christians.
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Imagine justifying cutting off healthcare access for one particular type of person/human.
What the fuck, dude?!
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Thank you for dropping the pretext. It was never about protecting children and was always about being cruel to minorities that Republicans hate.
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This is from June…
Florida continues the habit of ensuring it hurts every citizen in it’s state. Has Florida actually done anything “good” for all of Florida?
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I WISH we had taxpayer funded healthcare in the USA. Sadly, we do not so I’m not sure your point is valid.
We should tax churches and use the funds to pay for abortions and gender affirmation treatment.
All these weirdo stuffs are not even made by church 🤭
How are taxpayers paying for this? If anything, because of the added administrative requirements, this bill is costing taxpayers more.
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But that’s a pretty straight forward question. How is are people taking elective, private surgery burdening the taxpayers?
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Anyone who is “moderate” or “apolitical” at this point are, at best, idiots.
This has been the case for a long time. Being apolitical has always been a tacit endorsement of the status quo; a conservative position by default. Self-described moderates are usually classic enlightened centrists: total morons that have convinced themselves that—regardless of where you place the boundaries—the middle path is the smart one. Shockingly, this group of people doesn’t respond well to being accurately described.
Yeah I thought this was old news. I’m a licensed medical professional in Florida and I received an email from the department of health about these changes 3 or 4 months ago. The one about refusing care on moral grounds is newer, about a month or two old. This has been a thing for a good while now
I don’t think any trans people in florida are being blindsided by this (and certainly not now). People with no insight on the topic or very naive people could be blindsided
I definitely saw this on Reddit well before the exodus.
Can you refuse republicans based on the Bible saying their actions are against Christ? Honest question.
Sure, you could point out their hypocrisy using the bible. It won’t make them reconsider their position, but you can do it. I dont see what that has to do with trans healthcare though
The Satanic Temple made pretty good progress fighting state sponsored bullying and indoctorination by using that exact tactic
Oh you want to distribute bible materials at a public school? Well you also have to distribute our Satanic Temple’s materials too because you have to consider us equally. Oh gosh darn you’ve suddenly decided you don’t need to distribute religious materials anymore, I guess students won’t be receiving religious materials to indoctorinate them in either the Satanic Temple or the Church now
A lot of their stuff has to do with the separation of church and state, not specifically using the bible to point out republican hypocrisy
TST has made no progress in any way, but they’re very loud because they want you to give money to them instead of actual trans healthcare organizations.
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Your perception of them doesn’t matter. The fact is in the vast majority of cases, trans people are mentally healthier after acquiring hrt, which usually leads to being physically healthier as well.
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Ignoring the fact that you just compared hrt to self-harm, yes, gender dysphoria is an illness, one that needs to be treated. The only treatment known to cause more good than harm is transition, social, hormonal, and if necessary, surgical. Ping me again when you’ve found a better one.
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Should doctors be forced to offer the method for which the scientific consensus is that it’s the best treatment for that issue?
Definitely!
The high rates of suicide are because of lack of treatment or starting too late. Not because of gender affirming treatment.
Doctors that do not operate on evidence-based best practice should lose their licenses, regardless of what the law states.
That includes doctors who believe nonsense about gender identity being “mental illness” not deserving of appropriate (gender affirming) treatment
fortunately you’re not in charge of which doctors get a license, eh?
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This is not true. SCOTUS is taking on a case in the fall that asks if someone accused of or convicted of domestic abuse can be allowed to own a gun. Last term, they overturned New York State law on conceal carry.
Bruen has actually made it almost impossible to make laws that restrict firearms ownership. Thomas wrote that ““the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition.”
In other words, if the framers didn’t think the Second Amendment should preclude people who are “mentally ill” then you can’t make a law that precludes people who are mentally ill.
This is why the domestic abuse law will be toppled. At the time of the founding of the country, it was legal to rape your wife, who had no rights under the constitution.
