not everything is related to another conflict in the middle east dude, it wasn’t even mentioned here. lol
also careful. “Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC.” is the same as alt-rights “Jews control the government” – Not allowed per instance rules
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier
Yes, that was my point. It wasn’t that they were ‘a-okay with Jews’, it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
vocally supporting Israel serves as evidence that they aren’t anti-semetic (how could they be, they support Israel!)
it provides a convenient rhetorical opportunity to say that Jews should ‘just go be a part of their own country’ and stay out of theirs
It serves as a positive example of building an anti-immigrant national religious ethnostate. The primary goal of Nazis is to expel foreigners and create their own, and being able to point to Israel as a widely-accepted example is compelling (especially to people who think of Nazism and Zionism as mutually exclusive)
American Neo-nazis have a large overlap with American evangelism, who believe that a battle over Israel will precede the end of time and usher in heaven on earth. To an alarming portion of the American right-wing, support for Israel is largely based on this eschatology and they believe they will eventually be destroyed, and the survivors will dispel and convert to Christianity (because their ‘anti-christ’ lead them to slaughter)
That isn’t to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40’s). I largely think this misconception of Zionism’s relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. “Something can’t be x, it has qualities of y” is just such a pedantic misdirect it’s hard not to laugh at it.
Education is a real mess in the mid west it seems. You are worse than the other lemmygrad guys. You are the embodiment of “i don’t understand history and language” just WOW.
Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
Secularism has nothing to do with the wish to destroy Israel, wich is what anti Zionism is. Israel itself is a very secular country, have you been there?
Also 99% of people that are “anti Zionist” are actually just normal antisemitic people that don’t want jews to live. Iran for example is famously “anti Zionist” so is Russia, and China.
The not acceptance of theocracies would be a great point to support Israel.
Israel has btw about 20% native Muslim population, they have the exact same rights as the jews and Christians and hindustan (yes Israel has a relatively strong hindu community wich is growing) and there are also many other religions. Guess where there is only one religion?
RIGHT! in the terrorist havens that aren’t strong enough to fight these bastards that use them as meat shields and for propaganda.
Remember the Beirut blast? That was a Hezbolla/Iran weapon factory, where they made bombs.
How in the world can a normal human not support Israel and believe the obvious lies about it? Its always the same, as long as it involves jews, its their fault. And when not, they are behind the “bad guys” i thought this ass mentality died after WW2 but no its stronger than ever.
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
Do you support a two-state solution? If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are inherently a zionist. If your answer is no, then I hope you’re not advocating for violence, as that is disallowed.
Alright, I’ve warned you twice to stay on topic and not to use alt-right conspiracies, and you’re still ranting about this.
Your propaganda post is also unsourced and comes from an extremist account that engages in doxxing–I mean, what? How do you expect the equivalent of a turning point poster to convince anyone? Too far gone, man.
not everything is related to another conflict in the middle east dude, it wasn’t even mentioned here. lol
also careful. “Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC.” is the same as alt-rights “Jews control the government” – Not allowed per instance rules
That guy is a raging antisemite that marets his own hate videos on lemmy.
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I don’t need your “opinion” on facts. Stfu nazi.
They’re not a nazi
He is. Wanting to destroy Israel (“Anti Zionism”) is a inherited Nazi ideology.
Lmao, the Nazis themselves were Zionists. They wanted the Jews out of their country and saw zionism as a compelling way to get them out.
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
Actually the idea was to put the jews on to a island to let them die there, this Idea was replaced by the Concentration camps later on.
Yes, that was my point. It wasn’t that they were ‘a-okay with Jews’, it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
That isn’t to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40’s). I largely think this misconception of Zionism’s relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. “Something can’t be x, it has qualities of y” is just such a pedantic misdirect it’s hard not to laugh at it.
Education is a real mess in the mid west it seems. You are worse than the other lemmygrad guys. You are the embodiment of “i don’t understand history and language” just WOW.
Erm,… back at ya?
Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
So you are a “Anti Zionist”?
You could say so, why?
I mean, I won’t argue on the Israel-destruction thing, but I don’t think being secular makes you a nazi.
I’m anti-Zionist, anti-caliphate, anti-Christendom, you know, secular.
Secularism has nothing to do with the wish to destroy Israel, wich is what anti Zionism is. Israel itself is a very secular country, have you been there?
Also 99% of people that are “anti Zionist” are actually just normal antisemitic people that don’t want jews to live. Iran for example is famously “anti Zionist” so is Russia, and China.
The not acceptance of theocracies would be a great point to support Israel.
Israel has btw about 20% native Muslim population, they have the exact same rights as the jews and Christians and hindustan (yes Israel has a relatively strong hindu community wich is growing) and there are also many other religions. Guess where there is only one religion?
RIGHT! in the terrorist havens that aren’t strong enough to fight these bastards that use them as meat shields and for propaganda.
Remember the Beirut blast? That was a Hezbolla/Iran weapon factory, where they made bombs.
How in the world can a normal human not support Israel and believe the obvious lies about it? Its always the same, as long as it involves jews, its their fault. And when not, they are behind the “bad guys” i thought this ass mentality died after WW2 but no its stronger than ever.
Those are all good points.
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
Doesn’t matter, unfortunately.
Per instance rules, no calling people names.
Ok, next time i just repot such people.
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There is Redfash, wich you seem to be. Mixed nazi ideology with “socialist” values.
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Its funny how the self proclaimed communists are far right
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So you just go around randomly bring this up? It might be better to find a different hobby.
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Do you support a two-state solution? If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are inherently a zionist. If your answer is no, then I hope you’re not advocating for violence, as that is disallowed.
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I won’t argue about which side wants what; it’s a pointless discussion that won’t get anywhere.
I can only warn you not to say anything related to alt-right hate speech, such as claiming that Jews control foreign governments. It’s not allowed.
What does AIPAC do?
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Alright, I’ve warned you twice to stay on topic and not to use alt-right conspiracies, and you’re still ranting about this.
Your propaganda post is also unsourced and comes from an extremist account that engages in doxxing–I mean, what? How do you expect the equivalent of a turning point poster to convince anyone? Too far gone, man.
He is probably a sock puppet from someone on lemmygrad.