The Moment of Truth
www.theatlantic.com
The reelection of Donald Trump would mark the end of George Washington’s vision for the presidency—and the United States.
  • MyOpinion@lemm.ee
    371·
    2 months ago

    This is the moment we can lose our republic. Nuts that it could be to MAGA morons.

    • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
      338·
      2 months ago

      And nothing of value would be lost. In it’s ashes we could get an actual democracy built for the people, by the people.

        • Jeanschyso@lemmy.world
          27·
          2 months ago

          At least you can count on Canada to send help to the more dire areas to stop the worst of the civilian impact. You’re not alone in the world.

          • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
            91·
            2 months ago

            love you, friend… but I am not sure thats gonna hold when we start pointing loose nukes at everyone. the fall will not be easy.

      • mipadaitu@lemmy.worldEnglish
        201·
        2 months ago

        Or something worse. Don’t assume that what you prefer would be built up as a replacement.

        • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
          171·
          2 months ago

          It also completely ignores the millions of people that are going to be victimized, even if we rebuild a perfect society from the ashes (highly unlikely). I will never understand accelerationsts. They completely ignore some of the most basic values that progressives should have.

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        101·
        2 months ago

        If fascists win, what / who do you think those ashes will be made of?

        • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
          15·
          2 months ago

          The same thing they were made of last time fascists and those they tried to target before libs finally had enough.

          • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
            31·
            2 months ago

            Buddy…they would be in control of the largest military in human history. The most powerful economy and politically charged nation ever to have existed. All of the world would have to work against us. Including China and Russia.

            If fascism wins, that will be your 1000 years of darkness.

  • psycho_driver@lemmy.world
    28·
    2 months ago

    I’m pretty sure he feared a Tyrant smarter than Trump, but if we fail with Trump as the litmus test . . . well. Better luck next democracy I guess?

  • nednobbins@lemm.ee
    131·
    2 months ago

    That seems unlikely, since the constitution doesn’t really include safeguards against someone like Trump.

    The founding fathers were afraid of a King (at least some of them were). They put all kinds of limits on the power of the executive but they assumed people would follow those rules. They never really considered the possibility of a private citizens gaining so much power that they can ignore government.

    • orbitz@lemmy.ca
      6·
      2 months ago

      Wasn’t the electoral college and impeachment bits supposed to be safeguard from people like Trump? I’m actually curious because I’m not American but so many things I’ve read said those were supposed to help that sort of thing. Not that it’s helped.

      I thought another big thing they didn’t count on was so many members of Congress following that sort person.

      Also yes I agree they didn’t think of the possibility of someone being able to ignore laws because that’d be absurd not to put someone on trial speedily regardless of the position they held.

      • nednobbins@lemm.ee
        2·
        2 months ago

        There’s quite a lot of disagreements between historians on why there’s an electoral college https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k5hv2m/what_was_the_founders_purpose_in_creating_the/

        We have a lot of laws that protect people from government. The complement to such a policy is that we reduce the amount of protection government has from people.

        If you assume that your government is bad or that it will inevitably become bad then this is a great policy to reduce bad government. The flip side is that if we expect government to protect us from individual bad citizens who have gained a lot of power it’s harder.

        edit: grammar

      • Wogi@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 months ago

        Yes and no

        The system was always supposed to protect those in power from those without. The system is designed so that the masses have extremely limited power to remove people like trump if the people with money want him there.

    • Crikeste@lemm.ee
      32·
      2 months ago

      American’s don’t believe these things to be truth. Just like how native Americans have been whitewashed in certain places to make it seem as though the creation of this country was not the absolute most brutal and disgusting genocide against the natives.

      Hitler actually praised Amerikkka for what it did to natives and black people under chattel slavery.

      But noooooooooooooooooo. You bring that shit up to a patriot? You might as well go fuck yourself.

      Americans will N E V E R accept the fact that E V E R Y T H I N G the know as comfort, I built off of slavery and exploitation.

      But honestly, I don’t think they give a fuck. I hear so frequently, people that I thought were good, say: “that person deserves to be r**ed in prison for stealing”

      Amerikkka is a disgusting, disgusting country.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 months ago

    For George, the Revolution was a business decision to maximize profits. However, he did sign the US Constitution which is what every American should defend and it is the same document the MAGATs would like to destroy.

  • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    311·
    2 months ago

    Nobody fears a whiny little bitch like trump, no matter the damage republicans can do with him as their excuse.

    • f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      If Trump wins, he will have finished what he is paid to do; he will step down and hand the presidency to Vance, the wannabe theocrat.

      MAGA is a death cult. Arm yourselves against Trump’s sycophants now.