• Kalysta@lemm.ee
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    10 hours ago

    Biden is trying really hard to lose the election for the democrats.

    What blackmail does Netanyahu have on the guy? This is such a bad move.

    • stoly@lemmy.world
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      1 hour ago

      It’s either court centrist Zionists or let Trump win. There’s no alternative.

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      9 hours ago

      It’s a numbers game. There are WAY more Jewish people in the US than there are Arabs (~7.5 vs 3.5 million, according to a quick Google search).

      Strategically, those Jewish voters are also more likely to switch to a Republican vote than the Arabs, regardless. It would take 2 Arabs (or any other Democratic voter) sitting out to counter a single Democratic voter switching to a Republican vote.

      Granted, none of this accounts for voter locations (because only the 7 swing states matter), voter enthusiasm, claims of national security, or (most importantly of all) ethics.

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        60 minutes ago

        People are downvoting you because they don’t like the outcome, not because they disagree with your argument.

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          5 hours ago

          I agree. That was an additional detail that I did not cover, as I wanted to keep it relatively simple. I expect that the anti-Netanyahu Jewish voters are unlikely to switch to voting Trump, given that the latter is firmly and openly pro-genocide.

        • WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
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          4 hours ago

          AIPAC disagrees with you.

          Wait until after the election to see who really stands where.

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              1 hour ago

              It is importance but it’s unclear why you are mentioning it here.

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                9 minutes ago

                Because they were responding to this comment by saying “AIPAC disagrees with you” implying that Jewish Voters = AIPAC.

                Except a lot of Jewish voters are anti Netanyahu and want a ceasefire too

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          6 hours ago

          Not at the expense of democracy, at least I hope. There is no other option this year.

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            3 hours ago

            And this will be repeated every election year from here on out now that the DNC knows they can get away with it.

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              3 hours ago

              There are other avenues that can be taken in a democracy between now and the next election. Ranked choice voting would be great.

              How would a trump win help the genocide happening in Gaza??

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                2 hours ago

                How would a trump win help the genocide happening in Gaza??

                Is this the only thing any of you can say?

                No remotely sane person is saying trump would be better. That doesn’t mean the DNC isn’t fucking us over a barrel. Sitting around parroting “Hur dur but trump worse” is just enabling them. After trump there will be someone else and the DNC will just keep following the overton window to the right because they just need to keep pointing out that the other guy is worse. Plus all their online enablers will just shut down any discussion by repeating “well you must love trump if you don’t like the DNC stepping on your balls. Yum yum tasty boot.”

                Newsflash they will never give us RCV. RCV would take this new powerful tool of “but other guy worse” away from them and they are never going to sacrifice that power.

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        7 hours ago

        Everything can be justified in this way.

        “Adolf Hitler identified he needed to blame all problems on Jews. And systematically put them in concentration camps. This was a political move necessary to advance his career and appeal to voters.”

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          To be clear, at no point was I trying to justify any actions. My only goal was to explain the strategic path that would lead to it. And of course there are additional nuances, which I alluded to at the end.

          Besides, a winning strategy is not an indicator of ethics.

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        6 hours ago

        The only strategy here is AIPAC campaign donations.

        All the rest of what you said is BS