• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    92·
    2 months ago

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/us/politics/trump-latino-voters-deportation.html

    Latino Republicans and Independents Back Trump’s Deportation Plan, to a Point

    Hispanic voters disillusioned with Democrats want tougher immigration enforcement, but dozens of interviews showed many unfamiliar with details of Trump’s proposal.

    https://www.newsweek.com/majority-hispanics-favor-mass-deportation-1913510

    Majority of Hispanics Now Favor Mass Deportation

    “Notably, the poll found that mass deportation was popular with Hispanics, with 53 percent saying they would favor such a program and 47 percent saying they would oppose it. White people were more supportive of mass deportations, with 67 percent saying they would back the program, and 33 percent saying they would oppose it. Among Black people, it was 47 percent in favor and 53 percent opposed.”

    • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.worldOP
      43·
      2 months ago

      Makes sense when neither of the two major parties is willing to speak against it. If Harris made opposition to draconian treatment of migrants a consistent part of her campaign those numbers could change, but Democratic politicians only try to lead on issues their donors care about and just weather-vane themselves into Republican-lite irrelevance on everything else.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
        3·
        2 months ago

        Not just donors, I don’t expect any politician to speak against an issue that a majority of the public supports, but then we have the Republicans trying to ban abortion. I guess we’ll see how that works out for them!

        • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.worldOP
          22·
          2 months ago

          I don’t expect any politician to speak against an issue that a majority of the public supports

          This is way too simplistic and totally misunderstands the power of political leaders in democratic societies to shape public opinion. Like, the only real explanation for why public opinion on migration tanked is because Democratic lawmakers realized after 2020 that talking about ICE and CBP’s deeply institutionalized problems made Biden look bad instead of Trump, so they stopped sticking up against them when more border problems inevitably came out and started blaming those on the migrants instead and the opinions of Democratic party voters followed.

          then we have the Republicans trying to ban abortion. I guess we’ll see how that works out for them

          Reproductive healthcare is more restricted than it’s ever been in my lifetime and there’s no indication that we’ll be overturning the court rulings that made that happen anytime soon. Also, all these political campaigns are sucking up all the donor dollars that reproductive healthcare funds still really need.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      44·
      2 months ago

      Yeah…

      But people want to ban fracking and want healthcare fixed among lots of other things…

      When the party is only willing to move in one direction for votes it stops looking like reasoning and more like excuses.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    126·
    2 months ago

    I get that people don’t like hearing bad things about Kamala because she’s literally the only option.

    But it’s not too late to pull her left.

    What Kamala and Trump want would be disasterous and their reasons for wanting it aren’t valid:

    Harris’s reticence was a significant misstep for several reasons. Among Trump’s long list of controversial proposals, few have faced as much criticism as mass deportation. The scale of his plan is immense, given the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States.

    Mass deportation at this level would incur a tremendous cost. A recent report by the American Immigration Council suggests that one-time mass deportation would cost at least $315 billion, including $89.3 billion for arrests, $167.8 billion for detentions, $34.1 billion for legal processing and $24.1 billion for removals.

    The long-term economic consequences are worse. Mass deportation of undocumented workers would lead to a 4.2 percent to 6.8 percent reduction in the United States’ annual gross domestic product, amounting to $1.1 trillion to $1.7 trillion in 2022 dollars.

    But the human cost would be even more devastating. About 6 million American children could be separated from their parents, potentially ending up in the welfare system. Hundreds of thousands of mixed-status households would endure the trauma of deportation, a known trigger for serious mental health issues. And the loss of undocumented relatives would send hundreds of thousands of families into poverty.

    Like, people still talk shit about trump separating families, and we should, it’s horrible.

    But we should also talk shit about it starting under Obama, that Biden kept doing it, and that Kamala wants to take it further.

    Shit doesn’t stop being terrible just because a person with a D by their name is doing it.

    • dezmd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      74·
      2 months ago

      3 weeks left and you’re still constantly trying to sow dissent and disfavor on Harris with masquerades of play-nice bullshitting. You seem to be engaged in constant mental gymnastics adjusted to whatever thread topic is available to whataboutKamala in a negative light.

      Do you have any self introspection or is it all high rpm cognitive dissonace at this point?

      • orclev@lemmy.world
        31·
        2 months ago

        I haven’t looked at his post history so I can’t say if you’re right about that, but at least in this case his comment seems entirely on topic and appropriate and I’m not seeing an issue with it. The article is literally about Harris not condemning Trump’s deportation plans and tacit support of the deportation program that Biden ran.

        • dezmd@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          2 months ago

          Look at the post history, that’s the entire context of my comment, I see gsf all the time on the blame train, even while they sprinkle salient points that seem rational here and there.

          How exactly did you interpret the opening line of ‘still constantly trying to sow dissent’ other than to have a broader context than just this particular post. Hand waving it away on their behalf sure seems more like taking part in the gymnastics.

          • orclev@lemmy.world
            21·
            2 months ago

            Because you said:

            You seem to be engaged in constant mental gymnastics adjusted to whatever thread topic is available to whataboutKamala in a negative light.

            which implies they’re twisting the topic to be about blaming Harris rather than Trump which they’re very clearly not doing in this case. Leveling that accusation in a different context might be fair but in this case you’re the one that comes off as engaging in mental gymnastics. This entire article is about criticizing Harris so comments doing the same are on topic. Your comment isn’t even defending her, but rather attempting to attack the motives of someone agreeing with the article.

            For better or worse Harris is who we’re stuck with if we want to avoid a fascist dictatorship, but burying your head in the sand and engaging in personal attacks against anyone who points out that she’s flawed and her policies aren’t great isn’t really helping either, it just makes you seem a bit unhinged.