On Tuesday, the New York Times published a long interview with Donald Trumpā€™s former chief of staff John Kelly, who Googled an online definition of fascism before saying of his former boss:

Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, heā€™s certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictatorsā€”he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure.

Also on Tuesday, the Atlantic published a report that Trump allegedly said, ā€œI need the kind of generals that Hitler had.ā€

The revelations have dominated discussions on Fox News, and prompted two-dozen GOP senators to call for Trā€”haha, just kidding.

Instead, Democrats and their supporters once again contend with a muted reaction from the media, the public, and politicians, who seem unmoved by Trumpā€™s association with the F-word, no matter how many times Kamala Harris says ā€œJanuary sixth.ā€

One exception was Matt Drudge, the archconservative linkmonger who has been hard on Trump, who ran a photo of the FĆ¼hrer himself. This proved the rule, argued Times (and former Slate) columnist Jamelle Bouie: ā€œgenuinely wild world where, on trump at least, matt drudge has better news judgment than most of the mainstream media.ā€

Debates about Trump and fascism have been underway for a decade now, and applying the label seems unlikely to convince or motivate anyone. But the lack of alarm underlines a deeper question that doesnā€™t require a dictionary to engage in: Why do so few Americans, including many on the left, seem to take seriously the idea that Trump would use a second presidency to abuse the law to hurt his enemies?

Maybe itā€™s because Democrats have studiously avoided confronting Trump about some of the most controversial, damning policy choices of his first term, or the most radical campaign promise for his second. You simply canā€™t make the full case against Trumpā€”or a compelling illustration of his fascist tendenciesā€”without talking about immigration. Immigration was the key to Trumpā€™s rise and the source of two of his most notorious presidential debacles, the Muslim ban and the child separation policy. Blaming immigrants for national decline is a classic trope of fascist rhetoric; rounding our neighbors up by the millions for expulsion is a proposal with few historical precedents, and none of them are goodā€¦

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    It does, in fact, stick to him. It just doesnā€™t matter. I think the hard thing for people on the left to understand is that for roughly half the country, fascism isnā€™t a bad thing. People scream ā€œfascismā€ like itā€™s the ultimate insult.

    First of all, itā€™s so overused by hyperventilating gaming-chair leftists that itā€™s lost its rhetorical effect, and second of all, accusing someone who wants an authoritarian leader to take power and enact violent vengeance on half the country is, literally, a fascist. They want fascism. Youā€™re just calling them by their name.

    And since there appears to be, at best, as many of them as us ā€“ both in the general population and in the political establishment ā€“ it doesnā€™t really do anything. The fact is, fascism is here, itā€™s not going anywhere in the near future, and, to paraphrase the famous quote, one third of this county wants to kill a different third of this country, and the final third is content to watch.

    Itā€™s like calling a white supremacist a racist and expecting them to get mad or have their feelings hurt.

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      First of all, itā€™s so overused by hyperventilating gaming-chair leftists that itā€™s lost its rhetorical effect

      Except itā€™s not, and never was. Leftists were correct to have been calling Trump ā€œfascistā€ since a decade ago; his more recent actions have proven it. The fact that ā€œcentristsā€ are slow on the uptake is hardly the leftā€™s fault!

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        Iā€™m not talking about proper application here, and Iā€™m not talking about when people label Trump a fascist, which is clearly and obviously warranted as I noted, but Iā€™m not going to sit here and bicker with you about it. Itā€™s very obvious that almost anyone and anything will be labeled ā€œfascistā€ by some people on the left ā€“ and people on the right, frankly. Itā€™s overused. Itā€™s used by some as a blanket insult for someone or something they disagree with.

        And Iā€™m pretty sure you know that, and are just defending those that you feel use it appropriately, and Iā€™m here for that.

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          Itā€™s overused. Itā€™s used by some as a blanket insult for someone or something they disagree with.

          But itā€™s really not, though. Itā€™s used a lot nowadays because the people the term gets applied to keep doing more and more fascist shit!

          (Okay, Iā€™ll sort of agree that itā€™s ā€œoverusedā€ by people on the right ā€“ but thatā€™s not because theyā€™re confused about what it means; itā€™s because theyā€™re deliberately trying to destroy the meaning of the term to deflect from their actual fascist behavior. In fact, arguments like yours only help them do that, so itā€™s time you quit talking now.)