• SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I get that this is not the hill to die on in this meme, but the tracks should really be reversed.

    This implies “doing nothing” will only sacrifice Palestine, while “pulling the lever” (i.e. voting) will sacrifice Palestine+all other at risk groups.

    Otherwise, this really is a classic trolly dilemma. We can’t stop the train and someone is going to get killed.

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      3 months ago

      Yeah, but that would require an understanding of the trolley problem as a philosophical dilemma, and how are you gonna use that to yell at people you hate?

    • I'll be on ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      We can’t stop the train and someone is going to get killed.

      We really fucking can, it just requires more people to care enough to be willing to do more than the bare fucking minimum of participating in this theatre those profiting from war have set out for us, and look outside of the system you have indoctrinated to believe isn’t only the default, but the best (and if this doesn’t demonstrate that fact to you, I honestly think you’re beyond help).

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        3 months ago

        I fully believe the system we live in is broken, and is nowhere near “the best”. But the system does have many people who are indoctrinated, and many who benefit from it too greatly to make me believe we have sufficient time to derail it before some of the death implied in this meme comes.

        But if you have a plan more tangible then telling people “wake up sheeple!”, then I’m ready to hear it. And if it’s actually convincing, then I’m ready to help.

        But randomly telling people they have been indoctrinated, declaring it to be self evident, and then accusing them of being beyond help if they don’t see it, is nothing more than pointless moral masturbation. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it’s not helping nor convincing anyone.

        Let me know what your plan is when you have it figured out. In the mean time, I’m going to go back to helping who I can.

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      3 months ago

      Right, and one of the main, basic ways in which one can consider the trolley problem is that, regardless of the difference in outcomes, pulling the lever makes you morally responsible for what happens.

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        3 months ago

        Also not pulling the lever makes you morally responsible if you “stand by and do nothing”

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              “doing nothing is a decision” is a legitimate position you can argue for, but it is not some kind of settled moral fact that you can just assert without any justification.

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                It’s less a moral fact and more a fact of life. If you don’t pay bills you get late fees then stop getting the service. If you don’t study you don’t do as well as studying a little or a lot. If you don’t make a move on the girl you like someone else will and/or she’ll move on. If you don’t stop facism…

                “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

                In politics the don’t vote and vote third party are essentially the same of doing nothing until ftfp is fixed.