• BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
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    There are literally shit tons of voters in the center, that is the big fat juicy center that decides elections. Plus those voters are worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.

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      Dems lose when they try to appease this magical center because it takes the wind out of the sails of of their voting base. I mean getting buddy buddy with Liz Cheney killed my enthusiasm entirely and I only showed up to vote against Republicans instead of wanting to vote.

      Dems win when they promote hope and energize voters to increase voting turnout. She squandered that momentum.

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        Go through history: After successive losses Bill Clinton went center on the economy, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on “hope” and won after Bush’s disastrous wars. Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried to copy Obama’s “hope” and energy, but “it’s the economy, stupid”. Every time the Dems lose it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up, and the Dems only win when they go center.

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          You’re trying to pretend that Harris ran to the left because you still think it’s the fucking 90s.

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          That’s… interesting… I don’t know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn’t demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a “hold your nose and vote for her” centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.

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            and even the biden win was just stupidly close given trump literally drove your whole country head first into the top “fucked up the pandemic” spot

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          Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up

          The left DOES show up…but here’s the thing…there’s not enough of them to make a difference. I know it FEELS like leftism and even progressivism is super duper popular because its omnipresent on the internet but in the real world there just aren’t enough of them to matter for national elections outside of a few specific places.

          It’s like relying on an 8 year old to help you move furniture. You quickly realize that they just aren’t strong enough to do much.

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      This is true, and those voters main concern in presidential elections is the economy. According to NBC’s exit polling:

      Nearly half — 45% — of all voters said they were worse off financially than they were four years ago. That was a higher level of dissatisfaction than what registered in exit polls in any recent election going back to 2008, when the election took place amid the financial crisis that propelled Barack Obama to victory.

      Though the economy is growing […] 2 in 3 voters rated the U.S. economy poorly, a level higher than in 2020, when the country struggled to get in gear during the Covid pandemic.

      […] About three-quarters of voters nationwide said they felt negatively about the way things are going in the country, including 29% who said they were downright angry.

      Meanwhile only 4% of voters cited foreign policy (which covers the Gaza genocide and Ukraine’s defense – immigration was broken out into a separate category) as their main concern. Even if Harris flipped the big red “stop the genocide” button and brought those single issue voters out of hiding, there’s no way they could outnumber the voters who were pissed about the economy.

      Frankly, if she was going to have a real chance, she needed to throw Biden under the bus – and it still might not have made a difference.