Summary

Far-right leaders are gaining globally, with Trumpā€™s victory in the US presidential election echoing trends in Hungary, India, and other countries.

Donald Trumpā€™s 2024 victory marks a historic first where he won the U.S. popular vote, supported by diverse groups including young, Black, and Latino voters, as well as the working classā€”a reversal from previous elections.

This win aligns with global far-right gains, reflecting voter frustration with economic hardships and liberal policies.

Analysts argue that the far rightā€™s appeal lies in its ā€œpolitics of existential revenge,ā€ which vilifies minority groups and offers imaginary disasters as scapegoats.

  • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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    People continue to blame ā€œthe economyā€ on Trumpā€™s victory. Trump was campaigning on actively making the economy worse. So to say that people didnā€™t vote for Harris because of the economy is either demonstrably false or proves that the American people are infinitely dumber than we thought. If you have a problem, you donā€™t vote for the person whoā€™s campaigning on making your problems worse.

    And youā€™ve got the Democrats saying that we should have put up Bernie Sanders. Right after complaining about Biden being too old. So apparently solving the problem of Biden being too old is either (a) voting for Trump who is virtually the same age, or (b) voting for an even older white guy with the same policies. Notice something here?

    Your body, my choice.

    Women are property.

    Like you have a choice.

    And before the ā€œtheyā€™re trollingā€ excuses come out, people who actually have respect for women wouldnā€™t be ā€œtrollingā€ like this. You donā€™t put your face to the trolling if you donā€™t sincerely believe it.

    But sure. You just keep thinking that it was the economy. Then keep putting up minority candidates and wonder why you keep losing to people like Trump. The hard fact remains that American voters in general are far more racist and misogynist than Democrats want to admit, and they showed (for the second time) that they are willing to hand over the country to a pile of garbage like Trump before they even consider voting for a woman.

    Think of it. Democrats spent months complaining that we shouldnā€™t put up the old white guy again. And now that Trump won, theyā€™re saying that weā€™d have won if we just put up an even older white guy. And 10+ million of them were so pissed off that we didnā€™t put up an even older white guy that theyā€™d rather sit home and allow an old white guy with dementia to take office anyway rather than vote for a black woman.

    People didnā€™t want to vote for a woman. Especially not a black one. Thatā€™s all there is to it. The rest are just excuses.

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      The underlying assumption here is that these voters arenā€™t low information voters. The economy was what they themselves say they voted while thinking about. I believe itā€™s pretty clear that perception is more important than reality for these voters, and their perception could not be more wrong about that and many other issues. There is certainly misogyny and racism in there too, but also keep in mind that was largely felt in people staying home, not voting for Trump. Harris got far fewer votes and Trump received nearly the same as last time.

      Thereā€™s no easy one size fits all blame to be had here I donā€™t think, as nice as simple explanations are. I believe lack of populist messaging, following safe trends rather than creating them in the minds of constituents (with exception of the weird insult), lack of emergency covid situation, sexism, and appeals to status quo systems that have flaws all played a role.

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        A lot of big words to fog a simple problem. Hereā€™s a breakdown.

        Most are low information voters. Because humans are selfish and lazy.

        Governing is complicated. People are busy with their own sh*t. That turns people off (lazy).

        America makes it simple, binary two-party choice. No need to be informed when you just pick one of two teams, and you grew up in one already as a kid. (Lazy)

        Busy on voting day? Nah, not voting (80 million Americans, lazy, selfish)

        If they vote, they pick the choice that offers the things they like the most (selfish). Donā€™t matter if itā€™s lies or will make other things worse. No time to consider, weā€™re busy. (Lazy)

        Why are we low information voters? Can look up anything from reputable sources on the internet in seconds? Nah, how about cat videos. Porn. Dancing with the Stars is on (Selfish, lazy)

        Trump bullies and Harris nags. Rather watch someone else get bullied than be nagged (Lazy, selfish)

        Harris is black and woman, and has a career in public service. Trump is rich white man that barely works who acts like heā€™s successful with beautiful women. Which do people wish to be like? (Selfish, lazy) [See: Freakanomics - selling crack vs working at McDonalds.]

        Americans are lazy and selfish, resulting in low information voters. Low information voters vote against their interests and cause their own countryā€™s eventual downfall.

        It isnā€™t the Democrats fault due to messaging. It isnā€™t Republicans fault due to propoganda.

        It is always singularly only one group responsible for all problems in America, and always has been. ā€œWe the Peopleā€.

        Americans continue to get the country they pick.

        Till Americans overcome their base human instincts en masse to overcome their own laziness and selfishness, which will be never, things will keep being taken advantage by the American oligarchy and others.

        After the USSR fell the Russian people mistakenly sold their countryā€™s assets for free chicken dinners and Leviā€™s jeans [see Red Notice by Bill Browder] due to being horribly low information citizens (ā€œWhat are stocks?ā€ Oligarchy formed and answered.)

        Americans could very likely soon do the same. Seems the goal. Half of Americans seem likely to do it gleefully, if it lowers egg prices.

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          Completely agree with these two traits being the primary obstacles. I think the Democratic partyā€™s ability to acknowledge this is the key to future election wins. You conclusion though that the solution is for Americans to ā€œovercome their base human instincts en masseā€ is very incomplete.

          A few suggestions if you want to appeal to someone who is lazy about gathering and retaining information and getting off their butt to vote:

          1. State directly why they should care and what youā€™re going to do about it in the first 2 sentences, then tell them what to believe about it instead of relying on them to have a thought.
          2. Create a campaign against the media they consume to instill doubt that theyā€™re getting the full picture (they obviously arenā€™t).
          3. Present facts mostly to disprove the points theyā€™ve been fed rather than defending your positions. This is both to prevent competing influence where you will obviously lose as well as to be offensively confident rather than defensively meak.
          4. To appeal to the dumbest people amongst us who can barely figure out how to breath, also vaguely gesture that you will fix everything wrong and take public concerns to your office as a personal checklist.
          5. Surround yourself with actual entertainment, not just politicians. The Democrats have the support of every artist who matters, have a mega-mash concertā€¦ Weā€™re the cool party, donā€™t pretend weā€™re not. They should want to watch it like the Dre Day Superbowl even if they donā€™t agree with the candidate.

          A few suggestions if you want to appeal to someone who is selfish and wouldnā€™t lift a finger in a holocaust if the target wasnā€™t them:

          1. TELL THEM WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES FOR THEM. Iā€™m so sick of the messaging not containing things like ROI for the government programs. Talk about how for every house we remove lead paint and pipes from it will mean less taxes for you because more people will have the chance to pay them and not be dependent on the system. Talk about how many leading technologies originated with public funds that were only possible through government spending including technology theyā€™re watching this through, or the reason theyā€™re not dead in that car accident, or why they havenā€™t choked and died on the air.
          2. Tell them what the opposition wants to take from you and give to the rich, whether technically true or not, make them defensive and want to distance themselves from their donors. Theyā€™re coming to steal your hard earned tax dollars and give it to SpaceX to use technology we all paid for. Government leads and these corporate wellfare ghouls follow, and my opponent represents the ghouls. Say the exact amount of money Tesla and SpaceX gets from the government, point out thatā€™s why Elon is groveling behind him collecting government crumbs like the most pathetic pidgeon ever.

          This all fits firmly into the messaging solutions of leftist populism by the way.

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        The underlying assumption here is that these voters arenā€™t low information voters. The economy was what they themselves say they voted while thinking about.

        I simply refuse to believe this because it just doesnā€™t make sense. If these voters arenā€™t low-information voters, theyā€™d know that Trump plans to increase their expenses by about $400 per month. Theyā€™d know that Musk has already said he plans on making things exponentially worse. Theyā€™d know that Trump literally has no economic plan besides ā€œget rid of the brown people.ā€ And they either voted for him or decided to stay home anyway? That doesnā€™t make the first bit of sense.

        Harris got far fewer votes and Trump received nearly the same as last time.

        This is my point. The policies werenā€™t the problem. Dem policies such as abortion did just fine. The ā€œold white guyā€ thing mysteriously disappeared once Biden dropped out of the race, and now people are saying we could have avoided this by putting up an even older white guy. They certainly didnā€™t like Trumpā€™s policies because Trump doesnā€™t have any and Project 2025 is wildly unpopular. All 50 states went significantly redder.

        It certainly wasnā€™t because of policy. Dems did just fine there.

        It wasnā€™t because of downticket. Senate and House races went largely as predicted.

        It wasnā€™t because Biden was old. Trump is virtually the same age and Bernie is even older.

        Itā€™s not the economy. Trump plans to make things worse.

        The excuses that people are giving just do not make the least bit of sense when up against even a minimum amount of scrutiny. We have people saying ā€œwomen are propertyā€, ā€œyour body, my choiceā€, sending texts to Latinos telling them to pack their bags, and telling black people to report for slave duty. We donā€™t have people out there celebrating ā€œthe economy is gonna be great again!ā€.

        ā€œthe economyā€ is a convenient excuse for people who just donā€™t want to admit they refuse to vote for a black woman. If the ā€œeconomyā€ is a concern, you donā€™t vote for the guy whoā€™s planning on increasing your expenses by thousands of dollars per year.

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          They definitely are low information voters. When people hear things they donā€™t like from people they do like, they always assume itā€™s not going to hurt them until it actually does. This might eventually work if they heard it enough, but they never will and donā€™t care enough to pursue the information on their own.

          In terms of the old white man thing, I think itā€™s fair to say that while people say they donā€™t want old people running, what they really mean is old people who arenā€™t all there. This should eliminate Trump, but heā€™s never seemed all there and heā€™s had a more shallow decline than Biden. Bernie doesnā€™t meet this qualification because heā€™s still as sharp as ever. Bidenā€™s decline was shockingly fast and even turned liberals away despite his government still operating

          I did get the very strong vibe from undecided voters that they really wanted to vote for Trump but couldnā€™t tell anyone the reason was racism or sexism because they care too much about their image with liberals or their own self-image.

          That all being said, a trending search term on election day was, ā€œDid Joe Biden drop out?ā€ So clearly, the low information problem should be doing some heavy lifting in our conclusions.