While Baldur's Gate 3 is being widely celebrated by fans and developers alike, some are panicking that this could set new expectations from fans. Good. In th...

While Baldur’s Gate 3 is being widely celebrated by fans and developers alike, some are panicking that this could set new expectations from fans. Good.

  • acastcandream@beehaw.org
    2·
    1 year ago

    You would not have doom off-shoots without doom. You’re really reaching here to disagree with me over something that is pretty much consensus. 

    • MJBrune@beehaw.org
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’m literally not disagreeing that Doom was industry-changing. I said it multiple times. You seem to be just reaching through any hole to continue to argue about something we both agree on.

        • MJBrune@beehaw.org
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yes. I said:

          Doom only had a huge impact on the industry because it was very small and they started licensing out their engine with groundbreaking tech. The industry is huge now.

          So I said 1) doom had a huge impact on the industry because it, (the industry) was small and they started licensing out their engine. Now that the industry is bigger it’s not really a good comparison to any game.

          You then said:

          Let’s say that didn’t have a big impact though, to say Doom didn’t? I don’t even know where to begin. Doom + Quake basically shaped the next 20 years of FPS’s with goldeneye being one of the other major iterators on how MP was handled.

          I literally said the opposite and said Doom had a huge impact on the industry.

          So I made that clear:

          I will say that Doom is industry changing but again because it was so small. […] I’d say Doom’s offshoots are more influential than actual Doom at this point.

          This is absolutely true and you agreed by saying:

          You would not have doom off-shoots without doom. You’re really reaching here to disagree with me over something that is pretty much consensus. 

          We agree Doom was industry-changing, but Doom is currently not as directly influential to the industry today. We both agree and you state that’s somehow a point of disagreement.

          So I fail to see why you are pulling at this small nitpick part that we both agree on when I’ve made a slew of points in the comments above that you ignored. If you want to engage, try to do so in terms of having a conversation rather than just trying to point out something you feel is wrong. Take into context the things I’ve said, don’t just focus on one little thing you think you disagree with. If you actually disagree with what I said, please be clear in how you think I’ve said something because it might just be a point of clarity rather than actual disagreement.

          • acastcandream@beehaw.org
            1·
            1 year ago

            We agree Doom was industry-changing, but Doom is currently not as directly influential to the industry today.

            When did I ever say that?

            • MJBrune@beehaw.org
              1·
              1 year ago

              When you said we wouldn’t have the games that influence the industry today. The argument only works as a point if you don’t think the argument that doom directly influences the industry today. Otherwise you would have argued that which is a stronger point.

              • acastcandream@beehaw.org
                2·
                1 year ago

                This feels like I’m back on reddit with these pedantic arguments but fine I’ll break it down.

                If I said “Hitchcock had a big impact on cinema” would you say “well not anymore in 2023”? Of course not, because you know exactly what I mean. In the moment he was making waves and those waves rippled out to today because of what he influenced and changed and then what they subsequently influenced and changed. He was influential and inspired other filmmakers that would not have otherwise done what they did without his works existing. Doom inspired other devs who made stuff that would never have happened had Doom not existed, then you follow those waves into modern gaming. All of it is a dialogue, all of it is influencing each other, and some games had an outsized impact. Doom is one of them. It was an inflection point for gaming on so many fronts.

                You are clearly intelligent/knowledgeable about video games. However, this feels you are being incredibly narrow in your interpretation. You are acting like any other possible meaning is so far afield of what was said in a strange way and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and not assume you’re just going to disagree no matter what because it’s the internet, but having to write the above makes me unsure.