The initial ideas that drive him in the beginning are that people are no longer functioning in a larger social structure and that their true beliefs don’t reflect the way they typically act “most people would say ‘it’s just wrong to kill people’ but on the inside…”
kills people en masse without considering what might be driving them towards criminality in the first place.
He’s literally able to deduce that Yotsuba Kira is not the original Kira (himself) because the original Kira (himself) did take circumstances into consideration and would show mercy and the other Kira did not.
Believes that societies flaws are due to individual failings rather than systemic ones.
He literally bullies the CIA out of operations and if I recall, his actions lead to most global conflicts stopping. He does bring up war as a problem and government corruption as a problem along with corporate corruption occasionally. So I’d say this point is pretty off the mark too.
Operates purely under the definition of criminality set by the state.
He (and Mikami) literally slaughter a huge organization that is ripping people off in the name of Kira. Their scam was legal, but it was evil, so they died. He kills 21 FBI agents because they’re annoying him. He kills multiple cops and law enforcement that were otherwise innocent. And, as aforementioned, he takes pity on criminals who were convicted but had understandable circumstances. While his morals may overlap with the state they are definitely not “purely” set by the state.
White
Japanese. However this one is probably the most accurate statement in this image. He is a rich kid from a stable family, is not a minority in his country, and if he receives any bias it is positive and not predjudiced against him.
Disincentivizes criminality using fear tactics rather than rehabilitation and economic incentives…
It’s called a deathnote not an infinite-source-of-economic-and-medical-resources.
Says he’s going to start killing homeless people
I do not recall this but maybe I’ve simply forgotten.
Anyway, I tend to dislike people who try to pick out random specifics like this. You shouldn’t hate him because he’s not going about things efficiently or without considering other perspectives or whatever else. You should hate him because he’s a manipulative bitch with an obsessive god complex that leads him to cause massive amounts of pain and suffering to those around him and the rest of the world too.
He knows that people are corrupt that they’ve rotted the world and that it just tends to become like this. So he should know that no matter what, the world will fall right back into chaos unless he lives forever, which again he knows he won’t.
He is either completely beyond reason, blinded by the idea he can truly fix the world in a way that clearly won’t work, or much more likely he just wants to be god and just uses morality/justice to rationalize this desire.
He’s not a bad person because he’s slightly inconsiderate or believes in state set laws. He’s a bad person because he’s willing to slaughter thousands of people just to feel powerful.
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He’s literally able to deduce that Yotsuba Kira is not the original Kira (himself) because the original Kira (himself) did take circumstances into consideration and would show mercy and the other Kira did not.
Yeah, he showed mercy towards non-criminals, but as soon as someone was marked as a criminal he threw that all out the window
He still fucked up. He should have started by working his way down the list of richest people and list of fascist dictators. Killing billionaires does a lot more to scare the people responsible for crime than killing random murderers does.
You CAN permanently fix the world. You just have to kill all the capitalist billionaires and politicians. Then let the communists implement communism with no organised opposition.
Check your epistemology. You think that if billionaires just died out without the need for the proletariat to rise up and come together you would somehow end up with a world in which the proletariat would know to rise up and come together to stop it from getting bad again?
If anything you’d be lessening the spirit of revolution because you would be literally robbing the proletariat of it. You’d get more neoliberals and people who say shit like “see it all works out in the end” building a prime environment to slip right back into fascism when you die and stop enforcing the billionaire death penalty.
And if by “let the communists implement communism with no organized opposition” you meant slaughtering people who were opposed to whatever specific brand of communism you wanted most, I think Kira might be hiding in your mirror…
You don’t actually need Dialectical Materialism and desperation of the workers in order to get to communism. Marx himself admitted that various indigenous cultures such as the Haudenosaunee were communists. Communism is the natural state of humanity. If you remove all the capitalists maintaining the system, communism will naturally win because it’s how humans naturally think.
Note the fact that despite our late stage capitalist society and rampant neoliberalism, children still live under communism. They get free food, free housing, and free education. Either from the state, or from their parents. Anyone who introduced capitalism to children would be considered a monster even in our current society. If you kept a ledger of debts and made your child pay it back at 18, or if you charged competitive market rates for rent to a 10 year old, you’d be called a child abuser. Everyone already knows that capitalism is wrong, we’re just trained to selectively ignore that fact. Take away the social pressure brainwashing people, and they’ll figure it out themselves.
Also, Light should have made the billionaires donate their fortunes to communist organisations and charities before they died. And made the dictators declare their countries a communist democracy before they died. (Yes, the seconds in command will obviously block these orders from being carried out. That’s why Light kills the seconds in command and makes them do the same a week later. After a dozen iterations, all the remaining leaders will get with the plot)
If you remove all the capitalists maintaining the system, communism will naturally win because it’s how humans naturally think.
So why then did that system not last forever? Why did capitalists emerge in the first place? Drag is treating them like some kind of external force, as if they were aliens dropped into societies across the globe.
The material conditions of what Marx called primitive communism naturally caused society to develop into the hierarchical structures of early civilization. The development of agriculture created incentives for the division of labor, for states with static borders and organized defenses, and for class structure and involuntary servitude. In a hunter-gatherer society, it’s far more efficient to treat everyone (mostly) equally, because either they’re going off on their own to hunt or forage or they’re coordinating with a group and need to be armed and trusted - but this is no longer the case with agriculture. The people who responded to these (unfortunate) incentives were able to become dominant.
It doesn’t actually matter that much how humans “naturally think.” If you put a bunch of robots or aliens or whatever into a situation where there’s an incentive to do something, then provided they have the ability to innovate, experiment, and try new things, someone will eventually discover the incentive and reap the benefits of it and others will follow, either because they see the benefits or because the benefits strengthen the beneficiaries to the point that they can force everyone else to go along with it.
This whole idea of, “Well Marx said indigenous people were communists so it’s trivial to just get rid of the capitalists and go back to that,” makes it very clear that Drag hasn’t actually read Marx and is just proof-texting, picking out random bits and pieces to support Drag’s pre-existing beliefs without actually understanding anything he said. A communist society in the modern day, with technology and capital, would look drastically different from hunter-gatherer societies. There are aspects of hunter-gatherer societies which we can point to as worthy of emulation, but we can’t return to a hunter-gatherer economic system (or lack thereof) without the mass starvation of the vast majority of humanity.
Societies have inertia. Without a force for change, they will not change. Maybe they would tend towards communism but it would be incredibly slow. Most people resist change and the amount of change required to shift even just a single state in the US from where it is at now to communism would be immense.
The amount of effort and required learning would deter many people and if you’ve removed the racketeering of the bourgeoisie, then they’ve you’ve lost the stick and don’t have a carrot.
Killing billionaires won’t undo the decades of “communism bad” and it doesn’t specifically bolster communism either. Hell, if you made people aware that you were killing billionaires to support communism you’d deter more people because “it’s just wrong to kill people”
Furthermore le petite bourgeoisie commit much less obvious sins in the eyes of the masses, but still support and defend capitalism. As billionaires fall, that class becomes larger. You’ll likely end up killing all the way down to small business owners before you’d reach the communist future you desire, and you’d have become the enemy of almost everyone left alive well before then.
You’re also making the same error as Light if you rely on people “getting the plot.” You are building a system that only works while you’re there to provide the threat. It will not last and it will fall to pieces again as soon as you’re gone.
Trees that never dealt with wind will break in the weakest of storms. If you want to fix the world permanently, you cannot do so by simply removing all obstacles magically. When those obstacles return your world will be even less prepared than they were before.
Lastly you make the assumption that you are capable of understanding the whole world, the political and cultural climate of every country, well enough that you can stop or adequately manipulate all the “bad” people and make sure the good ones are protected. You are not omniscient. This is not possible. You are bound to kill innocents in an effort to complete this endeavor, and you are certainly never going to kill every psychopath or misguided individual who fully supports capitalism.
You are Kira because you are holding onto the belief that if you just murdered enough “bad” people, the world would suddenly become and stay a better place, when in reality it’s just temporarily suppression. Those who would worship you would worship you for your power and dominance not for any doctrine of community or empathy. Even Those who you tried to help may face the fear that they’ll do something “against the party” and you’ll end them for it.
But hey maybe it could work, maybe the world would become a temporarily better place with less pain and destruction, but Light could make the same argument.
You are still slaughtering others under the delusion that somehow it will fix everything, that you would play the part of god perfectly and bring to pass a new world.
To paraphrase L: “I can guess your motive and why you’re doing this. But what you’re doing is evil.”
Communism really worked out great so far for all the countries that attempted. Sure… It will work out this time! And lets suppress anyone that disagrees with this form of government, what can go wrong?
The initial ideas that drive him in the beginning are that people are no longer functioning in a larger social structure and that their true beliefs don’t reflect the way they typically act “most people would say ‘it’s just wrong to kill people’ but on the inside…”
He’s literally able to deduce that Yotsuba Kira is not the original Kira (himself) because the original Kira (himself) did take circumstances into consideration and would show mercy and the other Kira did not.
He literally bullies the CIA out of operations and if I recall, his actions lead to most global conflicts stopping. He does bring up war as a problem and government corruption as a problem along with corporate corruption occasionally. So I’d say this point is pretty off the mark too.
He (and Mikami) literally slaughter a huge organization that is ripping people off in the name of Kira. Their scam was legal, but it was evil, so they died. He kills 21 FBI agents because they’re annoying him. He kills multiple cops and law enforcement that were otherwise innocent. And, as aforementioned, he takes pity on criminals who were convicted but had understandable circumstances. While his morals may overlap with the state they are definitely not “purely” set by the state.
Japanese. However this one is probably the most accurate statement in this image. He is a rich kid from a stable family, is not a minority in his country, and if he receives any bias it is positive and not predjudiced against him.
It’s called a deathnote not an infinite-source-of-economic-and-medical-resources.
I do not recall this but maybe I’ve simply forgotten.
Anyway, I tend to dislike people who try to pick out random specifics like this. You shouldn’t hate him because he’s not going about things efficiently or without considering other perspectives or whatever else. You should hate him because he’s a manipulative bitch with an obsessive god complex that leads him to cause massive amounts of pain and suffering to those around him and the rest of the world too.
He knows that people are corrupt that they’ve rotted the world and that it just tends to become like this. So he should know that no matter what, the world will fall right back into chaos unless he lives forever, which again he knows he won’t.
He is either completely beyond reason, blinded by the idea he can truly fix the world in a way that clearly won’t work, or much more likely he just wants to be god and just uses morality/justice to rationalize this desire.
He’s not a bad person because he’s slightly inconsiderate or believes in state set laws. He’s a bad person because he’s willing to slaughter thousands of people just to feel powerful.
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He experimented on people that were already on jail.
Yeah, he showed mercy towards non-criminals, but as soon as someone was marked as a criminal he threw that all out the window
He still fucked up. He should have started by working his way down the list of richest people and list of fascist dictators. Killing billionaires does a lot more to scare the people responsible for crime than killing random murderers does.
You CAN permanently fix the world. You just have to kill all the capitalist billionaires and politicians. Then let the communists implement communism with no organised opposition.
Bud, he’s a Japanese fascist.
Maybe with the death note but y’know means impact and ends. You do not get peace through assassination and or oppression
Yes you do.
Source: France.
Check your epistemology. You think that if billionaires just died out without the need for the proletariat to rise up and come together you would somehow end up with a world in which the proletariat would know to rise up and come together to stop it from getting bad again?
If anything you’d be lessening the spirit of revolution because you would be literally robbing the proletariat of it. You’d get more neoliberals and people who say shit like “see it all works out in the end” building a prime environment to slip right back into fascism when you die and stop enforcing the billionaire death penalty.
And if by “let the communists implement communism with no organized opposition” you meant slaughtering people who were opposed to whatever specific brand of communism you wanted most, I think Kira might be hiding in your mirror…
That’s just accelerationism.
You don’t actually need Dialectical Materialism and desperation of the workers in order to get to communism. Marx himself admitted that various indigenous cultures such as the Haudenosaunee were communists. Communism is the natural state of humanity. If you remove all the capitalists maintaining the system, communism will naturally win because it’s how humans naturally think.
Note the fact that despite our late stage capitalist society and rampant neoliberalism, children still live under communism. They get free food, free housing, and free education. Either from the state, or from their parents. Anyone who introduced capitalism to children would be considered a monster even in our current society. If you kept a ledger of debts and made your child pay it back at 18, or if you charged competitive market rates for rent to a 10 year old, you’d be called a child abuser. Everyone already knows that capitalism is wrong, we’re just trained to selectively ignore that fact. Take away the social pressure brainwashing people, and they’ll figure it out themselves.
Also, Light should have made the billionaires donate their fortunes to communist organisations and charities before they died. And made the dictators declare their countries a communist democracy before they died. (Yes, the seconds in command will obviously block these orders from being carried out. That’s why Light kills the seconds in command and makes them do the same a week later. After a dozen iterations, all the remaining leaders will get with the plot)
So why then did that system not last forever? Why did capitalists emerge in the first place? Drag is treating them like some kind of external force, as if they were aliens dropped into societies across the globe.
The material conditions of what Marx called primitive communism naturally caused society to develop into the hierarchical structures of early civilization. The development of agriculture created incentives for the division of labor, for states with static borders and organized defenses, and for class structure and involuntary servitude. In a hunter-gatherer society, it’s far more efficient to treat everyone (mostly) equally, because either they’re going off on their own to hunt or forage or they’re coordinating with a group and need to be armed and trusted - but this is no longer the case with agriculture. The people who responded to these (unfortunate) incentives were able to become dominant.
It doesn’t actually matter that much how humans “naturally think.” If you put a bunch of robots or aliens or whatever into a situation where there’s an incentive to do something, then provided they have the ability to innovate, experiment, and try new things, someone will eventually discover the incentive and reap the benefits of it and others will follow, either because they see the benefits or because the benefits strengthen the beneficiaries to the point that they can force everyone else to go along with it.
This whole idea of, “Well Marx said indigenous people were communists so it’s trivial to just get rid of the capitalists and go back to that,” makes it very clear that Drag hasn’t actually read Marx and is just proof-texting, picking out random bits and pieces to support Drag’s pre-existing beliefs without actually understanding anything he said. A communist society in the modern day, with technology and capital, would look drastically different from hunter-gatherer societies. There are aspects of hunter-gatherer societies which we can point to as worthy of emulation, but we can’t return to a hunter-gatherer economic system (or lack thereof) without the mass starvation of the vast majority of humanity.
Societies have inertia. Without a force for change, they will not change. Maybe they would tend towards communism but it would be incredibly slow. Most people resist change and the amount of change required to shift even just a single state in the US from where it is at now to communism would be immense.
The amount of effort and required learning would deter many people and if you’ve removed the racketeering of the bourgeoisie, then they’ve you’ve lost the stick and don’t have a carrot.
Killing billionaires won’t undo the decades of “communism bad” and it doesn’t specifically bolster communism either. Hell, if you made people aware that you were killing billionaires to support communism you’d deter more people because “it’s just wrong to kill people”
Furthermore le petite bourgeoisie commit much less obvious sins in the eyes of the masses, but still support and defend capitalism. As billionaires fall, that class becomes larger. You’ll likely end up killing all the way down to small business owners before you’d reach the communist future you desire, and you’d have become the enemy of almost everyone left alive well before then.
You’re also making the same error as Light if you rely on people “getting the plot.” You are building a system that only works while you’re there to provide the threat. It will not last and it will fall to pieces again as soon as you’re gone.
Trees that never dealt with wind will break in the weakest of storms. If you want to fix the world permanently, you cannot do so by simply removing all obstacles magically. When those obstacles return your world will be even less prepared than they were before.
Lastly you make the assumption that you are capable of understanding the whole world, the political and cultural climate of every country, well enough that you can stop or adequately manipulate all the “bad” people and make sure the good ones are protected. You are not omniscient. This is not possible. You are bound to kill innocents in an effort to complete this endeavor, and you are certainly never going to kill every psychopath or misguided individual who fully supports capitalism.
You are Kira because you are holding onto the belief that if you just murdered enough “bad” people, the world would suddenly become and stay a better place, when in reality it’s just temporarily suppression. Those who would worship you would worship you for your power and dominance not for any doctrine of community or empathy. Even Those who you tried to help may face the fear that they’ll do something “against the party” and you’ll end them for it.
But hey maybe it could work, maybe the world would become a temporarily better place with less pain and destruction, but Light could make the same argument.
You are still slaughtering others under the delusion that somehow it will fix everything, that you would play the part of god perfectly and bring to pass a new world.
To paraphrase L: “I can guess your motive and why you’re doing this. But what you’re doing is evil.”
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Communism really worked out great so far for all the countries that attempted. Sure… It will work out this time! And lets suppress anyone that disagrees with this form of government, what can go wrong?
You don’t know what comunism is
Sure bud, if you say so :>
Glad you agree :)
Drag doesn’t think you’ve heard of any of the nations that actually did communism. Google Australia.
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person. And why are you referring to australia, a country that clearly has no communism
Drag isn’t referring to dragself in the third person and Australia had sixty thousand years of communism.
good comment