A group of young Jewish girls were on their way to a rehearsal on Monday evening when ‘around a dozen glass bottles and plates’ were allegedly thrown at them by a man on a balcony at Woodberry Down Estate.
The girl was badly injured and rushed to Royal London Hospital by Hatzola Ambulance volunteers.
‘The sheer volume of glass scattered across the area resembles the aftermath of a riot.
‘The force and distance of the thrown glass bottles reveal the deliberate and violent nature of this act.
‘These young children were targeted simply for their visibly Jewish identity.’
‘These young children were targeted simply for their visibly Jewish identity.’
Maybe if they were in school uniforms? I’m not sure how else they could be so quickly identified from a balcony while walking down the street.
But is the story really that some guy posted up on his balcony waiting for someone he thought was Jewish to throw a bunch of stuff at them? Like, the person who threw stuff would have had seconds from seeing them to throwing if that’s what happened.
It just doesn’t make any logical sense, especially since it acts like the balcony was really high up, but if they were just walking by it’s probably not as easy to hit someone intentionally in the like 2 seconds it takes them to walk by.
There’s just a huge amount of holes in this story.
There’s also this:
The girl was badly injured and rushed to Royal London Hospital by Hatzola Ambulance volunteers.
Neighbourhood watch group Shomrim, which protects the Jewish population in Stamford Hill, said the attack had ‘deeply shocked the community’.
There was no actual authorities at the scene until after the far right orthodox “volunteer police” who routinely harras anyone that isn’t Orthodox (even if they still Jewish) and their own ambulance service who only serves people of their specific right wing conservative religion?
Like, we have the word of a bunch of far right religious extremists that a situation happened exactly as they said it…
Or they’re making shit up to play victim.
But it makes sense why only a tabloid owned by the Daily Mail is reporting it.
I did that time-honored tradition of research known as “a few Google searches”. I was unable to find any examples of Jewish girls or women wearing identifying clothing. Plenty of men, and a handful of ultra-orthodox women wearing niqabs and similar items, but nothing generally and not for young women and girls.
Maybe your results are regional. I found these images on the first page of Google images. Long sleeves, closed collars, head coverings, skirts below the knee, heavy stockings, flat shoes… it’s pretty distinctive.
I saw some of those too. From what I read, the headscarves are for married women. Unlikely for a group of teenage girls. Otherwise, if I saw that group of girls on the street, they wouldn’t really stand out to me at all.
Don’t worry about it, not everybody picks up on cultural dress and symbols that are unfamiliar to them. I’ve lived in areas with a lot of orthodox Jews, and so - like anyone near where these girls were - to me it’s obvious.
So after being exposed for making up fake scenarios in which a Jewish girl having glass bottles thrown at her head is not really a victim, you go back and edit your comments to make up fake scenarios in which a Jewish person is somehow the perpetrator??
What a class act.
you go back and edit your comments
There would be a timestamp if it had been edited…
So I’m not sure what you’re talking about, why you’re being incivil, or why you came back and replied again to try and start an argument…
a simple explanation could be the person who threw the glass was Jewish. They couldn’t turn him in. But would still have to explain the injuries.
So that’s not you? Looks like I responded to another of your comments, but are you really going to deny what anyone can see by scrolling down?
You mean on a different comment where I wrote “quick edit” before it and the timestamp shows it was before you replied to it?
Yeah…
That clearly happened.
But how was I supposed to know what comment you were talking about? That was literally 8 hours ago…
I legitimately don’t know why you’re so upset people are pointimg out the Ultra Orthodox “special police” are not allowed to report any crimes where the criminal is Jewish.
It’s weird, and I’m going to assume you’re just intoxicated since it’s a holiday.
I hope our next interactions arent like this, but I won’t be replying again to this thread. But this is giving off those weird Squid vibes, I blocked them a long time ago for acting like you are now.
Personally, I would find it exhausting to do this kind of thinking every time someone attacks a Jew.
Are you not aware of the Orthodox private police?
I just don’t know why you would find it exhausting to question a story that doesn’t make sense from far right extremists so you choose to just believe them…
Do you believe everything Hamas or American Christian extremists claim too?
Or is it just for one of the Abrahmic religions?
I just don’t understand why you think questions are exhausting, but everyone thinks differently I guess.
And yet you never stopped to think about why a community of visibly Jewish people would need private security…
I’m sorry, I don’t understand how what you just said is connected to anything I had said.
They’re far right extremists that are openly antagonistic to everyone else even they’re own larger religion.
And a huge issue with them inserting themselves into law enforcement, is they act as a filter for what is reported to actual law enforcement:
But Shomrim does not share this information with police due to the Torah prohibition against mesirah (informing on a fellow Jew to the non-Jewish authorities)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)#Police_relations_and_controversy
Do you understand what that means?
These are far right Orthodox, they follow the Torah…
They can’t turn in a Jewish person to the police, they can only report to police when the criminal isn’t Jewish, and they only respond to crimes when the victim is their specific far right flavor of Judaism.
Did you know any of this?
If not…
I dunno, it would just be incredibly shocking for somewhere to be aware of all the issues with Shomrim but still act like it’s a solution and not a problem
Whats going on here?
Quick edit:
As a matter of fact, since they are obligated by what they believe to be orders from their God to not turn a Jewish person in, a simple explanation could be the person who threw the glass was Jewish.
They couldn’t turn him in. But would still have to explain the injuries.
Which again, is why I’m having difficulty understanding you defending them.
Say a you g girl is sexually abused. She calls the Shomim because that’s what her family does. If her abuser is Jewish…
It ends there and nothing is done. Unless you’re now about to suggest theyre also vigilantes and would enforce their own punishment. Which would be surprising, but I guess we’ll see how much you’ll defend.
It seems much stranger to me that you’re so familiar with the Orthodox Jewish community, and yet you don’t know how easily identifiable an Orthodox person is by their distinctive clothing. You’re working very hard to prove that an attack against a Jew was not antisemitic.
how easily identifiable an Orthodox person is by their distinctive clothing
For the men yes…
For teen girls? I honestly have no idea.
That’s why waaaaaay up in my first comment. I even asked about it…
But I’d love to get back on topic:
But Shomrim does not share this information with police due to the Torah prohibition against mesirah (informing on a fellow Jew to the non-Jewish authorities)
Did you know about that before just now?
And do you understand this means they do things like let child molestors run rampant when their targets are from families who use the Shormim, and who’s school also does?
For a child in that community cut off from the police by the Shormim, they can’t reach anyone for help without escaping like from a cult.
Literally the only criminals they try to turn in, are anyone not of their religion.
Anyone of their religion they literally (by their logic) can not hold them accountable in any way.
I truly value your opinion and am trying to understand why someone would support this.
Because honestly?
You think trump ain’t thinking of making a Christian version?
The best way to stop that. Is find out how the original is working on people, how someone can be convinced to support such a terrible and evil system
So please, I’m asking honestly:
How can you view the Shormim as a positive for anyone except Orthodox Jewish criminals?
No, I’m not going to let you keep trying to pivot. You saw a story about a young Jewish girl in the hospital for following an apparent antisemitic attack.
Your immediate reaction was not, “that’s awful, I hope they catch the guy who did this. By the way, folks should know that the people who helped her are part of a problematic organization.”
Instead, your first reaction was to immediately begin developing various theories about how what happened isn’t really what happened.
They werere not really visibly Jewish.
It wasn’t really an attack.
The distance was too far.
It happened too quickly.
It was an accident.
To owner of the newspaper is not reliable.
The owner of the ambulance is not reliable.
The eyewitness is not reliable.
Mind you, these are all pure speculations. There is no evidence you’ve provided that any one of these should affect the veracity of this particular story. There is no counter-witness statement saying they saw something else. You don’t have measurements of the balcony. When a Jewish person is hurt and your first reaction is to concoct half a dozen different theories about why they are not really a victim you should probably examine that.
Yes your mental gymnastics to pretend you’re the victim must get tiring, feel free to give it a rest.
That “Shomrim” thing is disturbing. Why are religious fascists allowed to openly police the streets?
Not to mention that a neighborhood watch, organized by civilians, that does not apply force, is a right of every group in a Democratic society. Freedom of association. Unions are a counter to fascism.
Do you also think BLM and community gardening are also fascism?
The fact thay the local Jewish population feels under attack and need to organize to defend it-self is okay? It’s only a problem when Jews strike back?
I think you suffer from a case of being a nazi.
“Organized neighborhood watches” don’t wear gear deliberately designed to look like real police, and if they do, they deserve to be broken up.
If course, so do the actual cops.
It is known that writing “Shomrim” on your vest is how you pretend to be a policeman. Best costume ever.
You can pretend to be a moron all you want, I don’t believe that you believe they don’t know what they’re doing.
It sounds like you were never a minority in society. If they were doing whatever you fear them doing, there would have been complaints and news about it.
So sources, or you are delusional.
Okay, I stand corrected, you are 👍
Antisemitic*
Thanks - Fixed
