I don’t think the other person is going to reply to this comment because there’s a fair few things that you have said here that are, to put it bluntly, pretty insensitive to a person who has just brought up the fact that they struggle with disordered eating.
I’m not saying that you comment should have a trigger warning on it, but there are topics and ways of discussing things like food and diet which can aggravate disordered eating. A healthy lifestyle is clearly something which is important to you. It’s worth considering whether your comment in this context is working in service of that outcome or whether it’s working in a counterproductive way.
Every single line written in my comment comes from a place of dealing with disordered eating as well. Specifically the parts where I talked about triggering foodstuffs and how everyone needs to charter their own course.
We can’t ignore the facts. We live under a food environment mostly made up of ersatz foods which are designed to trigger disordered eating. In acknowledging that, we come to understand the industrialized way in which are psyches are subject to siege. That is the context where I believe it becomes not only insensitive but also counterproductive to label fasting a fad diet. It’s not even a diet, it’s a behavior change that does work for lots of people because it resists the worst influences of the food industry in a direct and straightforward manner.
I don’t believe my comment was insensitive and neither was theirs, I think we put forward both of our points of view and walked out with mutual understanding of them. It wasn’t the first time I’d hear that fasting = disordered eating and I’m sure it wasn’t the first time they heard about risks associated with semaglutide medication.
I’m referring to a subclinical eating disorder or a label for someone recovering from an eating disorder here, in the sense that the other commenter has used the term, and not just “eating in a way that is unhealthy”
Okay, so then it’s worth reflecting on why you’re framing your discussion of foods and eating habits in terms that are well known to aggravate symptoms of eating disorders in people who suffer with these conditions.
If your reply is taken at face value then you’re acting in a way that intentionally risks causing harm to people with eating disorders but I don’t believe this is the case and I don’t think that you’re trying to convince me it is.
I only have my own experience and that of my immediate circles to draw upon. And so far I’ve been told that merely describing who we are can only be interpreted as either an intentional attempt at harm, or harm out of ignorance. I don’t think this is what you intended to claim, because you yourself said elsewhere in this thread that IF is polarizing because for some of us it is the exact kind of lifestyle intervention that is warranted - whereas for others it can be damaging. All of which was already baked into the conversation I already had with someone else above.
MH was glad IF worked for me, didn’t feel the need to change my eating habits but pointed out that specific form of intentional dieting can be dangerous to specific people. This absolutely true and something I never disagreed with. I built on what she said, because I truly believe that everyone has to charter their own course in today’s food environment. Our only real and major disagreement in the conversation we’ve had is the uses and limits of semaglutide, about which I hope my pessimism is unwarranted.
Edit: so from what I understand while you don’t necessarily disagree with what I said, you take exception to terms I’ve used. Could you be more specific? I don’t always discuss these things in english, so I’d be interested in specific instances of callous terminology I’ve employed.
I don’t think the other person is going to reply to this comment because there’s a fair few things that you have said here that are, to put it bluntly, pretty insensitive to a person who has just brought up the fact that they struggle with disordered eating.
I’m not saying that you comment should have a trigger warning on it, but there are topics and ways of discussing things like food and diet which can aggravate disordered eating. A healthy lifestyle is clearly something which is important to you. It’s worth considering whether your comment in this context is working in service of that outcome or whether it’s working in a counterproductive way.
Every single line written in my comment comes from a place of dealing with disordered eating as well. Specifically the parts where I talked about triggering foodstuffs and how everyone needs to charter their own course.
We can’t ignore the facts. We live under a food environment mostly made up of ersatz foods which are designed to trigger disordered eating. In acknowledging that, we come to understand the industrialized way in which are psyches are subject to siege. That is the context where I believe it becomes not only insensitive but also counterproductive to label fasting a fad diet. It’s not even a diet, it’s a behavior change that does work for lots of people because it resists the worst influences of the food industry in a direct and straightforward manner.
I don’t believe my comment was insensitive and neither was theirs, I think we put forward both of our points of view and walked out with mutual understanding of them. It wasn’t the first time I’d hear that fasting = disordered eating and I’m sure it wasn’t the first time they heard about risks associated with semaglutide medication.
I’m referring to a subclinical eating disorder or a label for someone recovering from an eating disorder here, in the sense that the other commenter has used the term, and not just “eating in a way that is unhealthy”
You, me, my therapist, psychiatrist and the leg I almost lost to diabetes are all on the same page then.
Okay, so then it’s worth reflecting on why you’re framing your discussion of foods and eating habits in terms that are well known to aggravate symptoms of eating disorders in people who suffer with these conditions.
If your reply is taken at face value then you’re acting in a way that intentionally risks causing harm to people with eating disorders but I don’t believe this is the case and I don’t think that you’re trying to convince me it is.
I only have my own experience and that of my immediate circles to draw upon. And so far I’ve been told that merely describing who we are can only be interpreted as either an intentional attempt at harm, or harm out of ignorance. I don’t think this is what you intended to claim, because you yourself said elsewhere in this thread that IF is polarizing because for some of us it is the exact kind of lifestyle intervention that is warranted - whereas for others it can be damaging. All of which was already baked into the conversation I already had with someone else above.
MH was glad IF worked for me, didn’t feel the need to change my eating habits but pointed out that specific form of intentional dieting can be dangerous to specific people. This absolutely true and something I never disagreed with. I built on what she said, because I truly believe that everyone has to charter their own course in today’s food environment. Our only real and major disagreement in the conversation we’ve had is the uses and limits of semaglutide, about which I hope my pessimism is unwarranted.
Edit: so from what I understand while you don’t necessarily disagree with what I said, you take exception to terms I’ve used. Could you be more specific? I don’t always discuss these things in english, so I’d be interested in specific instances of callous terminology I’ve employed.