Maybe I’m just face-blind or being dense but the photos from the scene of the crime look like a different dude than the ginning hostel check in guy. The jackets and backpacks are different. Although people can have multiple jackets and backpacks. We don’t see much of the shooters face but the eyebrows look different. Although, people can pluck/shave eyebrows. I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I sure as fuck wouldn’t. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they’re scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I’m innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide “he had a knife” and just outright kill you. You know how they say “anything you say can be used against you?” That’s because they absolutely won’t use it to help you, even if you’re not guilty of anything.
I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD’s neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody – anybody – over this because they’re looking even more like chumps than usual.
So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.
The cops need to present a suspect so they can say they did their job. Whether it’s the right suspect is another matter.
Yep, if something like this can happen, it might not be the best idea to go to the police:
Man pressured to confess he killed his dad. His dad was alive and well [3:40]
Fuck I had to stop watching after the bit with his dog. That’s heartbreaking
Guess who’s going to pay that 900,000. YOU.
Everything went as expected. The officers were promoted.
We did it,
redditNYPD!They only care that the forms are filed. They don’t care if they are filed with correct information.
And if the cops do ask and want to pursue questioning you … you don’t talk to the cops in this situation and just ask for a lawyer … they ask what your name is - lawyer … what is your date of birth - lawyer … where are you from? lawyer … lawyer, lawyer, lawyer
Never talk to the cops, especially when the cops are desperately looking for a suspect.
Don’t ask. Tell them to get you your lawyer.
What if you don’t have a lawyer? I know the state can set one up for you, but I also know those lawyers are overworked. They take on something like 12,000 cases per year, and get on average 4 minutes to prepare your case.
Could I just call my mom and be like “FIND A LAWYER RIGHT NOW PLEASE!”?
You can use your phone call for whomever, just know it’s not private and you best hope whomever you call will actually help you.
The distinction I was making is that the response to “can you get me a lawyer?” could just be the cops walking out of the room and coming back several hours later and seeing if you’ve changed your mind. The same thing for “I’ll wait till my lawyer is here.”
Isn’t your “phone call” a Hollywood trope? It’s not like you get to gamble on the highest stakes call of your life (oops, line’s busy or you misdialed or whatever), but you only get one chance like it’s some legal gotcha the cops can pull on a suspect.
I’ve been in enough jails to say with some certainty: it depends. Like unmagical posted, some places you will absolutely get a phone call at some point. In others, it’s pretty much an ‘executive privilege.’
The truth lies in the squishy, wet world of humanity, not the written word of the law. In one jail I know of, they’d give you three chances to make a free phone call (the other party has to accept, because they can’t let an abuser call the abusee without some warning of who it is), and if they weren’t busy, you would be able to keep trying for a couple of hours. Another place, you might get the phone call, but it could be 18+ hours after you were brought in and you had already seen the judge, been given a personal recognizance bond, and would be delaying your exit from said jail if you made the call. Jailers sometimes like to put the thumb screws to you in any way they can.
Most of the time, inmates will have access to a phone 24/7. Even in solitary, a phone was available. It looked like a pay phone strapped to a dolly that got wheeled right up to the door of the cell and the phone would stick through the little food slot you could look out of. Those phones require money on their account, and it works in a similar manner to the old collect calls. Those phone calls can be as expensive as a dollar a minute. A law was passed in the US around the end of Obama’s term or the beginning of Trump’s that was supposed to set a limit on how much those calls could cost, but I don’t remember what came of it.
I don’t know what you were doing to end up in enough jails to know that, but I suspect that if there’s additional knowledge here, it’s that we should probably not do whatever that was
At least in Florida, according to this, you are entitled to complete at least one phone call.
It’s too bad that cops are and COs think they are above the law. They WILL steal all your money, they MAY beat you up, and you MAY get a phone call if you behave like you’re their little bitch. They like that.
It’s the state’s responsibility/problem to bring you a lawyer if you can’t afford one before the police question you. If the cops are so sure you committed a crime then they’ll charge you and get a public defender assigned so they can interrogate you with a lawyer present. If they don’t have enough evidence they’ll try to bully you into talking without a lawyer present and trick you into confessing. This is one of 403 reasons why it’s important to ask for a lawyer then shut the fuck up until your lawyer arrives.
Fair point. I suspect that the NYPD doesn’t really want to bring him in alive.
A dead suspect checks the boxes. Can’t dispute facts with evidence. Allows the media to say they got him. Gives them an easy victory.
The CEOs get a false sense of security and are lured out of hiding. Then the real killer guns down another one. Rinse and repeat.
C’mon man! You should have ended with “Another one bites the dust”.
Then we could all have it playing in our head!
Never talk to the police, there are many reasons why
Massad Ayoub is the man when it comes to firearms and law. I know of no one more expert.
Making a murderer is all you have to see to know this is the truth. I feel so bad for that family.
Yes! A real eye opener for me!
Especially just murdering you. Lot harder to get a corpse to testify that they didn’t do it. Makes it a LOT easier to say “well, they did it, but they’re dead now, case closed.”
Just imagine this is green text.
This is sound advice. There are too many bad actors among cops to trust them to be impartial or fair.
You are correct. I’ve been watching a lot of true crime on YouTube lately and regardless whether someone is guilty or innocent, it seems it is ALWAYS in your best interest to get lawyered up and keep quiet if the cops are interrogating you.
I have mixed feelings about the guilty assholes, because it’s frustrating seeing someone give up their rights and be so open about their crimes but on the other hand, I’m glad they’re so dumb so they can be removed from society and punished.
But it is nothing but frustration seeing innocent people go through that out of genuine sincerity. “I have nothing to hide, so I’ll be open with the cops.” Fucking do not. No matter how low the statistic actually is, there is too much at stake to risk encountering someone who twists your words and uses it against you to frame you so they can close a case.
Lawyer up and shut up. Don’t talk to cops as much as you can help it. Especially don’t volunteer to have your name cleared.
I bet they stop releasing info because of the public reaction. At this poiny, they want us to forget and not have copycats. They’re scared.
Storm troopers murder these kinds of people rather than expose the injustice system.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/909515885/protester-suspected-in-portland-shooting-death-killed-by-law-enforcement
Required viewing
Wow. Dood. Your reality sounds stressful.
Its like an episode of Law and Order but in real life!