There are lot of people in the privacy communities who are shaming and attacking those of us who want take take privacy seriously. more than just using firefox and a vpn. So many people are trying to influence the privacy community to not use whonix or tor browser. That it’s paranoid and extreme to leave your phone at home. And so on.

They keep pushing this propaganda without even knowing what they are talking about. They will keep spamming everywhere that you don’t need to protect your firmware from physical access adversaries because the only adversaries who can do something like that are feds and feds will never target you unless you are a cartel leader or running a darknet market or something very terrible.

But these same people who spread this propaganda can’t even tell you what the difference is between bios and uefi. Which means they have no idea what they are talking about and are just spreading propaganda/disinformation.

Why would they do that? They are probably american feds. We all know there is lots of evidence of feds like fbi,nsa,cia corruption and they all hate privacy and keep spamming their propaganda about if you have nothing to hide then you don’t need privacy. With that in mind it’s obvious that they are doing at least some sort of propaganda/influence campaigns to slow down, derail, end privacy activism.

We also know it doesn’t take much to become a terrorist. UK gov has officially publicly announced that anyone on X who retweets an ongoing protest is a terrorist and they will be arrested. Elon musk is officially a terrorist and the uk gov has repeatedly asked usa to hand him over. So it’s very easy to become targeted by feds, you dont have to do anything bad, just use freedom of speech.

And in france it was many times in the news about a group of friends who were arrested for using Signal. A girl they tried to convince to start using signal called the police and said they are using anonymous communication called Signal and then they were arrested and all their computers taken and forensics went through all the data on their computer and judge said its criminal evidence they have ad blockers on their browser.

It’s an infinite list of evidence about how tyrannical the feds are and it doesn’t take anything to become targeted by them, just bad luck.

Imagine if you are traveling and go to a hostel and tell the people you’re staying there together with that your computer is off limits, no touching it and you will know because you have lots of security to detect tampering. If they start gossiping about this and then call the police you will probably have your computer confiscated and then forensics will go through it. Or maybe they’ll send an undercover hacker to try some covert physical access attacks.

And this is just talking about feds being adversary. There are also criminals that are hackers. And feds can be criminals too, like the high ranking cia officer who recently traveled south america and drugged and raped dozens of women before he was finally caught.

This all leads to my suggestion. I think we need to stop the feds influence and propaganda campaigns against the privacy communities. Stop shaming and attacking people for wanting more privacy than you. We need to start banning these people. Are there any privacy communities remaining where you can say you’re using tor browser without getting attacked for being an “extremist” and paranoid just because you use tor browser or leaving phone at home?

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    Why would they do that? They are probably american feds.

    Maybe, but I can think of another possibility:

    There is a certain personality type that loves to feel like an authority in whatever community they frequent, and will jump at the chance to criticize someone whose concerns, experiences, or approach to solving a problem differs from their own. It has been very common in tech support forums for ages, and I think it’s becoming common in privacy forums as the topic becomes important to more people.

    So, while it’s possible that some of what you are describing comes from government agency-sponsored influence campaigns (this would not surprise me), I strongly suspect that at least some of it is just mundane egotism. There are a lot of jerks on the internet. Many of them even believe they’re being helpful.

    Whatever the reason for it, I agree with you: Those people should be told to knock it off, and if they don’t, then they should be shown to the door.