*advancing her career

https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3ldhxclo4wk2c

This is about AOC losing her bid for the Oversight committee to a geriatric Dem lifer. Sure she has systematically shredded any last bit of credibility with her triangulation, but hey, at least all the 5D polítical chess is paying off! She’s changing the system from the inside! It’s working this time!

Girl, you abandoned any pretense of doing working-class mass politics when you decided to do insider politics! Why are you tweeting like Bernie Sanders circa 2012? There’s no we! There’s no mass movement behind you! It’s just NYC DSA and some Warren libs (but I repeat myself)

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    lol. child.

    Unlike you, I have already finished education, and I did so a long while ago.

    neither governance model can achieve those goals

    The USSR did. The PRC did (remarkably similar in this regard, down to the 60% life expectancy increase figure). Freed Korea did. Cuba did. Angola did. Mozambique did. Vietnam did.
    If you know basic macroeconomics, you know why a state that maintains a planned economy (which, by the way, is not synonymous with ‘communism’) not only can but is also interested in implementing things like guaranteed housing (which is impossible under capitalism in the long term, as are the other things on this list), universal healthcare, elimination of illiteracy, developed public transportation, elimination of unemployment, etc.
    Both history and (orthodox liberal) economics are against you here. The fact that you didn’t even bother looking up if you were correct is hilarious.

    I can literally pick every single one of those metrics and a quick search will debunk claims to each one for both systems

    Cool. Why didn’t you?
    I know that you didn’t because I have studied this topic and I know that you are being extremely overconfident for somebody so wrong.

    for example: you can’t eliminate illiteracy

    I do not know of a communist revolution that succeeded and then did not implement programmes for elimination of illiteracy.
    The RSFSR/the USSR’s one was even called ‘Ликбез’/‘Ликвидация Безграмотности’/‘Elimination of Illiteracy’, and it brought literacy rates from 15-40% in the late Russian Empire (I have seen a few estimations, but they are all in that pathetic range) up to about 100% by 1939, and managed to produce one of the most educated population on the planet in the previous century. I reiterate, the USSR started with a mostly illiterate population but became the first state to launch a space satellite, to launch an animal, a man, a woman into space, to build a space station, to make (an unmanned and, most importantly, repeatable and actually scientifically useful) landing on the moon with the rover, etc within less than a century.
    I don’t think I need to elaborate on stuff with the PRC, Cuba, and the others. They also carried out such initiatives to educate their people.

    there is a little thing called genetic defects, and brain damage which both can result in a person literally becoming incapable of literacy

    You seem to be a gold medalist in mental gymnastics. What an incredible way to not understand that people can be provided an education for.

    So, yes. both systems are equally bad

    Again, this is hilarious. ‘Housing people and helping anti-colonial movements around the world is somehow just as bad as torturing and killing people by denying them housing and invading other countries to put them in a colonial yoke’.
    If anything, the USSR and other socialist states have had actual accomplishments, unlike AOC. By your standards, you should be singing them praises.

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      ‘Housing people and helping anti-colonial movements around the world is somehow just as bad as torturing and killing people by denying them housing and invading other countries to put them in a colonial yoke’.

      You forgot to add “because some people are genetically incapable of being educated somehow”

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      Rofl, yes lets ignore all the harm they have and continued to do. I’m not going to rehash communist/capitalism history with you. its been done to death. none of them solved homeless, healthcare, food issues, or having a slave class.

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        Rofl, yes lets ignore all the harm they have and continued to do

        Providing people with guaranteed housing and helping anti-colonial movements around the world defend against you is the opposite of harm.

        Also, given that you do not consider literal participation in a genocide to be bad enough to consider AOC your enemy (despite her complete lack of accomplishments that are not harm to the rest of the world), you shouldn’t have any issues with whatever it is you want to bring up against Angola, Mozambique, Cuba, Korea, the USSR, etc.

        I’m not going to rehash communist/capitalism history with you

        Because you simply do not have any expertise on the topic. You never investigated it. You do not understand anything on the matter.

        none of them solved homeless

        Literally every state that implemented planned economy also implemented guaranteed housing (if you are aware of any exceptions, then go ahead and cite your sources). If your argument is ‘technically, there were individual cases of people falling through the cracks’, then you are obviously just being silly. Everybody will take reducing harm from happening systemically to happening on an individual level, and it is silly to try to suggest otherwise.

        healthcare

        Ditto. Planned economies are inherently interested in both guaranteed housing and universal healthcare. They are interested in implementing free medical services + cheap medicine. Countries like the USSR and Cuba were/are no exception.
        Instead of making these wild and incorrect guesses, you should try studying these topics.

        food issues

        As per several studies, some of which were conducted by the CIA, the USSR provided its people with a better access to food than the US in at least 1960s onward (i.e. after recovering from WW2). The USSR also solved the regular famines that plagued the Russian Empire.
        If you are going to suggest that people under classical colonial yoke were fed better before their liberation, I’m just going to laugh at you at this point.

        or having a slave class

        This is hilarious. What ‘slave class’ in the USSR?

        Also, going to note that AOC is supporting enslavement and extermination of Palestinians. That’s not enough for you to turn away from her.

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        Harm? Go ahead, quote the black book of communism, we’ve heard it all before and it’s pure bullshit. Stop letting the capitalists spoon-feed you propaganda and fucking LEARN for YOURSELF for once.

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        Be specific for once, bet you can’t. Which food issues? What about the healthcare? What about the homeless? What slave class? Which country are you talking about? What time? What specific thing is it you believe you’re referencing and what are your sources for that?