It’s a joke. I just think it would be funny if everyone logged in to bureaucrat and overwhelmed the lib with one common user

what a shock, the liberal is a misogynist

Many such cases. If you scratch them deep enough, you’ll start finding Hugo Boss textile.

Oops, you’ll never get a response now! You know specifics are hard for libs!

do I need to spoon feed you to? I assume you’re capable of typing into a computer.

You know the funny thing is you twits seem to struggle with reading comprehension. for example: accomplishments does not mean ‘has done things I agree with’.

So go ahead list yours then we’ll compare to AOC, then we can do trump vs you next!

None of those are her positions. those are the DNC. you’re very confused.

Imagine going to a pizza place and being mad they don’t have sushi

No, you idiots keep saying that. I’m saying shes the least harmful rep we have. very different statements. Its not my fault you lack basic read comprehension and confuse terms like ‘accomplishments’ and ‘effectiveness’. First, effectiveness requires a benchmark and we won’t agree on the benchmark metric so there is no point. secondly I’m not the one making claims about her that need refuting. they’re all basic facts about her that are common knowledge. You however are, like ‘she supports the genocide’ she clearly doesn’t. she literally voted against funding israel as a standalone bill. the omnibill version is not a vote for supporting genocide.

I can’t help the fact you’re misinformed. thats a you problem.

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This is excellent tagline material. Communism mathematically defeated

No, both are fucking horrible systems. Yes, mathematically, but for very different reasons. If you want to learn, look into distributed systems vs centralized systems. there is a reason comrade communists always fail into authoritarian dictatorships. now maybe you like that style of governance. thats a you thing. not an everyone thing.

If you want to learn why capitalism is mathematically bad well that’s even simpler. simple feedback systems analysis will do it. its why they continuously fail into oligarchies.

No you see they said both systems are bad! So that means that despite them only critiquing communism, they definitely feel the same about capitalism, which is why they defend it so hard

I bet they almost passed 7th grade on the first try

mathematically the concepts behind communism are inherently unstable and lead to authoritarians.

Dancing effortlessly between the mathematic and philosophical, failing spectacularly to connect either. Might as well say “Mathematically, blood transfusion is inherently sinful and leads to corruption of the soul”

VOLCEL POLICE!! THIS ONE RIGHT HERE!!! THREATENING TO SUCK OFF A LIB!

Oh god oh fuck this worked in my essay you’re not supposed to be able to respond

We have the technology! We can make them denser!

If I wasn’t so lazy, I’d create a database of every lib talking point with a rebuttal to each one and a counter for every time it gets brought up. IIRC there was someone doing something similar for libertarians a few years ago. I think the guy working on it died or something though, never found out.

Oh I’m aware. I shit on the liberals all the time too. go through my post history. I’m probably more fuck the DNC are than you twits. the difference is I also recognize communism as the shit system that it is. What is it the atheists say… oh right… I just believe in one less shitty god than you do. take it to heart when you think about your preferred system.

another scalpel of a comment that will be ignored by this high school debate wizard

Does that make any sense to you? And if not, why not?

Sure, I can even respect the empirical aspects of the conversation. But what you’re all missing is the non-material aspects and thinking I’m a liberal is coloring your responses. Let me try to spell it out to you in a different way:

I’m saying you’re all assholes to a person who literally is very similar to you ideologically (worker owned means of production, strong safety net) and just trying to make her way in the world and is very likely a genuinely decent human being. One of the few we have. no one is perfect but dear god is she better than most, including many in this community. She’s also fairly talented in the political world regardless of how you feel about her positions. its why she gets so much flak, and personally like bernie I’d like to keep her around as long as possible even though I disagree with her on things.

As for facts… there are likely no ‘facts’ we’ll agree on as clearly demonstrated on the rampant disregard for what AOC has actually done vs what you’re all claiming shes done. Yes, I’ve repeatedly pointed out the false narrative you’re all spinning about her. We just fundamentally don’t agree here on the same information.

Lets take the rail strike for example, I’ll gladly lampoon biden for that because he had agency in that vote, he had a duty to represent the country, and part of that is ensuring workers have agency and an environment in which to strike. AOC per her own reports (which I’m happy to admit are biased) was acting on literally behalf of the workers in her constituency. she literally did her job she was elected to do. represent her constituents. do I agree with her vote? no. but if they did ask her to vote yes, I cant fault her for doing so. Its not like they asked her to vote no on passing a national paid sick leave policy. Would I gladly work with her to solve my countries problems? abso fucking lutely. do I fault her for working to build common ground with liberals? kinda, but I get it, shes outnumbered and marginalized and in those situations you compromise and get as much as you can.

But for those of you here what she did is an absolute betrayal. we. just. don’t. agree.

You want hard ‘numbers’ for metrics? I’ve literally cited sources for a couple of these and compared to china to highlight the absurdity. at the scale these countries operate you’re talking about marginal differences based on priorities of the ruling classes. While I’ve done a few examples here I havent bothered writing you all a dissertation because frankly your opinions of my opinions (and vis versa) don’t matter and the data is readily available and we’ve probably all looked at it. Why waste the time over nonsense numbers that are almost certainly doctored in various ways. Your responses? ‘you changed the definition of the term! CIA doctored the information!’ etc. See? waste of time to argue the numbers. they’re essentially meaningless when you’re going to waste time of the definition of the term ‘literacy’ I was literally using the most generous term and accepting china’s numbers essentially at face value. I did pick the value from the WHO as at least thats marginally independent source.

The primary difference is i’m happy to lampoon both capitalists and communists systems; both systems have historical and modern examples absolutely atrocious outcomes for people due to their tendency to collapse into centralized power structures leading to monocultures which always collapse. These are facts of nature and systems. While you can argue with me all you want about it, history has proven this result over and over and over across every centralized governance model, and all centralized systems suffer the same fate in basically every domain, technological, physical, biological, political.

The simple fact is I don’t have to prove these things to you, it will literally just happen. I suspect neither country will last the remainder of the century given current trajectories. Nor do I particular care if this group collectively pulls their heads out of their asses and recognizes a generally decent person when they see one. I’m simply enjoying my afternoon watching your entire community have a field day thinking ‘ah ha! another one! got em!’ plus you know, its nice to see that no new information has been missed due to my own information silos.

Yes. and? it was literally win/win for her.

first if biden/harris lost she can point out their shitty policies as the reason. if they won she can claim she helped bring the critical left vote.

for her and her role it was the correct call. my role was to fuck over harris in biden. which I happily did. see situation 1.

But you see that requires being able to understand cause, effect, and complex interactions within dynamic environments.

yes, she and bernie endorsed him. they also were critical of the admin’s israel policies the entire time. I dont have a problem with this.

Unless of course your advocating the she should have supported trump, or literally any of the useful idiots with zero chance of winning. that literally would have been a waste of political capital. I was happy to support jill over harris because that was my role in the situation took all of 5 minutes to check a few box. oi the burden!

this… Is amazing

I still don’t get what she’s supposed to be doing in that second picture

Yes, things you think shes done. I understand why you think that, you’re a idealist. your ideals are flawed but I get it. I’ve also pointed out the literal things she done that point to that she doesn’t support the positions you assert she does. she literally voted against aid for israel and then voted for aid that helped the ukraine and taiwan and israel. those are two very different situations. she absolutely critiqued biden for his border policies. policies she can’t change.

Thats living in reality, understanding why she did things. just saying ‘OH NO SHE VOTED FOR A BILL WITH AID TO ISRAEL!!! SHE BAD’ isnt. its not recognizing the context shes operating in. instead of going after literally the 400 other people who did the exact same thing you’re wasting breath on one of the few people in congress who stands for literally 80% of what you want. worker owned production, better social systems, etc.

If you can’t recognize that well thats a you problem. Notice how you guys are stuck here on your little island shes out there bringing the ideas you supposedly want to the masses in a nice package and you’re pissed over compromise bills and lack of pointless agitation? I mean fuck child, you have so many other people to be upset about and you focus the purity tests on the only one remotely in your sphere? lol. no wonder you cant accomplish anything.

Let the girl do her thing in peace. go shoot some ceos or something.

when you’re willfully ignoring how shes literally on the record as not supporting those things and the context of which those bills were passed, then yes, you’re ignoring reality. Supporting biden for reelection vs trump is not supporting his border policies. Supporting aid to the ukraine and Taiwan is not supporting genocide done by israel. not wasting every day bitching about bidens border policies on children is not the same as supporting it. As for the rail strike I disagree with her on that one but if her statement is true, then she was literally doing what she was elected to do, represent her constituents.

so whats left for me to fact check for you? yes, AOC is not a communist, but she sure hell is orders of magnitudes better than what we have and if you can’t recognize that well… thats a you problem.

hey man dunno about you but I don’t spend every day bitching about shit. got things to do. And no she hasnt, she just doesn’t waste time on shit she can’t change beyond pointing it out. just because you’re intractable doesn’t mean everyone is.