*advancing her career

https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3ldhxclo4wk2c

This is about AOC losing her bid for the Oversight committee to a geriatric Dem lifer. Sure she has systematically shredded any last bit of credibility with her triangulation, but hey, at least all the 5D polítical chess is paying off! She’s changing the system from the inside! It’s working this time!

Girl, you abandoned any pretense of doing working-class mass politics when you decided to do insider politics! Why are you tweeting like Bernie Sanders circa 2012? There’s no we! There’s no mass movement behind you! It’s just NYC DSA and some Warren libs (but I repeat myself)

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    It was not constant, the point in her phrasing was that she “took a break” for four years while it was her team of murderers in power. “Ah man, if Trump wins we need it ‘resist’ again…”

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      gasp she didnt have to constantly fight with people who would gladly murder her for a change! the horror! seriously get some perspective.

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          No, I think she focused her efforts on persuadable individuals instead of trying to shank them at the first opportunity.

          I’m glad you agree shes one of maybe 10 members of congress who are actually worth anything though. sad that instead of protecting her and helping elect people more like yourself you’re shitting all over the one most closely aligned with you.

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            So does she have to fight or not? Moving the battleground to individuals doesn’t mean it’s not a fight - either she’s stopped, or she’s still fighting. It sounds to me that you’re not actually considering what you’ve already said, and are just grasping for any argument that will help you “win” in the moment.

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              I think you have a misunderstanding on what ‘fighting’ means. unlike you, she doesn’t lash out at everyone like a hurt animal. that literally gets you no where. She doesn’t waste her time persuading those who are not persuadable. (i.e. you, republicans, capitalists.)

              So tell me: you get into office, you’re essentially solo in your views, how would you deal with the bills being proposed? beyond getting nothing by essentially refusing to vote for anything. Yes you’re very principled; we get it.

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                she doesn’t lash out at everyone like a hurt animal

                Muh civility!
                Okay, let’s say she doesn’t (she does, against anti-genocide protestors, by the way). What good does that do anybody?

                that literally gets you no where

                Seems like lashing out gets people a lot more than not lashing out.

                So tell me: you get into office, you’re essentially solo in your views, how would you deal with the bills being proposed?

                How about you tell us what good are politicians like your whitewashed and idealised version of AOC, then, if the system makes it impossible to legally act against it from within?

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                No, I’m using the same toothless definition you’re using - publicly supporting a political stance. Or are you saying she never fought for minorities in any sense?

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                So tell me: you get into office, you’re essentially solo in your views, how would you deal with the bills being proposed? beyond getting nothing by essentially refusing to vote for anything. Yes you’re very principled; we get it.

                Wow you’re correct the system itself is shit and cannot be reformed, no matter how many sheepdogs try to herd us into the democratic fold. Thank you for convincing me of being a militant communist! I will now go murder [redacted]

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            Whatever it is she tried to do did not achieve the supposed goals of helping vulnerable people.

            No, I think she focused her efforts on persuadable individuals instead of trying to shank them at the first opportunity

            Sounds like trying to persuade individual nazis is not a fruitful tactic.

            And that’s ignoring the fact that she has always been one of them, starting her career as a CIA asset.

            sad that instead of protecting her

            Why would we protect people who actively do stuff like support (or, rather, directly participate in, given her position) a highly-televised genocide?

            and helping elect people more like yourself

            Firstly, the USian state is never going to allow that to happen.
            Secondly, we have several centuries of electoral politics to look back on, and we can plainly see that electoral politics are useless when it comes to improving the lives of working-class people in general. So why should we care about electing anybody in the US?

            you’re shitting all over the one most closely aligned with you

            A nazi that is the closest to either of us in their views is still a nazi whose views are incompatible with ours.

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              You’re expectations of her are not couched in reality. You’re blaming her for the actions of others. She literally has zero pull in congress.

              So why should we care about electing anybody in the US?

              Let me know when you do something actually effective. last I checked you havent murdered any CEOs or won any political office. Of the two of you, AOC is far more effective at accomplishing her goals. sucks to suck I guess. Too bad that history you’re trying to flout is worth less than the bits its encoded by.

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                If she has zero pull in congress, then why does it matter how she uses her position? If the rest of congress can ignore her votes, why not vote against zionism, genocide, or the military industrial complex?

                You’re contradicting yourself.

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                She literally has zero pull in congress

                So, she’s not accomplishing anything is what you are saying now? Cool.
                I disagree, however. She has the same interests as your Bidens, your Trumps, your Sinemas, etc., and she acts on them, and not on the interests of the working class - in the US or elsewhere.

                Let me know when you do something actually effective

                Let me know when she does something actually effective for the working class. She couldn’t even keep Dementia Biden as the nominee so that he could disassemble your empire.

                last I checked you havent murdered any CEOs

                Neither has she. And she hasn’t acted against their interests as of yet in general.

                or won any political office

                Why is winning an office in a nazi government good?

                Of the two of you, AOC is far more effective at accomplishing her goals

                So would be people like Hitler, Washington, Leopold II. Do you want us to celebrate those genocidal slavers as well?

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                  I simply point you back to your lack of reading comprehension. ‘accomplishments’ does not mean you like what shes done. shes also never supported a genocide.

                  So, she’s not accomplishing anything is what you are saying now? Cool.

                  No, I said she has zero pull. that isnt the same thing as no accomplishments. thats an issue with the DNC not AOC. learn to properly direct ire.

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                    She literally voted to supply weapons to Isreal while condemning Hamas for fighting against a genocidal, settler, European colonial project. How is that not supporting a genocide?

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                    I simply point you back to your lack of reading comprehension. ‘accomplishments’ does not mean you like what shes done

                    So, her accomplishments are directly adversarial to our goals, is what you are saying. And you want us to both believe that she has no power in the government and that we should support her.
                    Riiiiiight.

                    shes also never supported a genocide

                    I have already cited your ‘source’ as saying that she did act directly in support for a genocide. She has literally taken action to imprison and otherwise suppress anti-genocide protestors.

                    No, I said she has zero pull

                    If she has no power, then her ‘accomplishments’ are not actually hers.

                    thats an issue with the DNC not AOC

                    She’s on the side of the DNC.

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                I agree AOC is relatively effective at accomplishing her goals which is why we shit on her. Because her goals seem to be only to empower the Democrats to do evil things and provide them some cover. She is pretty good at that.

                However I don’t think merely accomplishing things is a good enough reason to support someone. The things they are trying to accomplish need to be worth accomplishing. I’m not just on whatever team I think is currently winning. what is something she has accomplished that I, or other communists, would like?