It’s sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn’t a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.
What’s sad is seeing people accept the police’s story at face value. You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to not be caught with everything needed to hand the case to the prosecution on a gold platter a week after you committed a crime in another state. This is either a set up, or Luigi intended to be caught.
I have the same issue with the idea that this is a setup as I do with a lot of other popular conspiracy theories, I just don’t see any possible motive that makes sense. This entire situation has been a total PR nightmare for everyone who could possibly have been involved in the alleged conspiracy. That Luigi intended/expected to be caught seems to me the simplest and most likely explanation for the set of facts we have available. If I were to speculate further, I’d guess Luigi didn’t expect to get as far as he did and was weighing his options while on the run, and basically just decided to turn himself in and chose a public place for his own safety.
Really? You really don’t see a motive to make a swift arrest of the man who just fired the shot that might set off the class war? After we just watched every billionaire sweat for the first time in their entire lives?
NCPD/FBI is being pressured extremely heavily to produce results, and the people doing the pressuring aren’t likely to care if the results are correct just as long as the results are visible - not to mention which, the agencies involved are kind of known for doing stuff like this before. The poors must be reminded that they will be swiftly hunted down and imprisoned or executed if they attempt to follow in the perpetrator’s footsteps. This message must be presented quickly and made visible to every citizen, make a big show of it so everyone knows what happens when you mess with them. (Like a 40-strong perp walk and accusations of terrorism in addition to murder, for instance. Hmm.)
Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy, continual pressure for results is going to become pressure to arrest a patsy instead so we can start the show already. The show must go on. And starting the show requires the star character.
I have no proof of any of this and it could reasonably be called a conspiracy theory, I guess. I expect no one will ever see anything approaching proof of this, for the usual reasons and methods that police misconduct is covered up with. But my common sense tells me that every detail of the arrest report practically screams “obvious plant” all over it, and the motive to do so is quite clear.
To me, the details of the arrest report scream parallel construction. A full setup and Luigi being a patsy suggests that every detail was chosen by whoever perpetrated the conspiracy, and there are a lot of details that strike me as very bizarre choices for them to make. I find it difficult to believe that the NYPD are simultaneously competent enough to find a believable patsy and execute an elaborate setup within a few days, but incompetent enough to accidentally turn the patsy into a relatable folk hero.
Luigi makes zero sense as a patsy. He has privilege, charisma, and intelligence. You don’t setup an ivy league educated cousin of a state house representative with money for good legal representation. Not even porky is that stupid (I hope).
You have no idea if he was having a mental breakdown or if he was thinking straight. You only know what other people told you was happening, which may or may not be true, because they aren’t testifying under oath and you haven’t seen the evidence.
Yeah it’s soooo sad that people don’t just believe everything the police tell them. It must be so hard for you, being so much more intelligent than everyone else. You must feel so much sorrow for all of us idiots who just can’t comprehend the universe as you do.
I think that for someone who had the determination to:
Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
Because real life isn’t a episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
Yes, board:investor meetings are publicly advertised. There’s headshots on LinkedIn. But that’s just it - the shooter pre planned to get at the one person, not storming an insurance office and “demanding to see the boss” or ambushing the CEO in his driveway.
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
Suppressors are long and heavy, even commercial ones that are well designed. Sneaking that big tube on the bus, subway, on the e-bike, and then just waking around displayed an desire to escape either via an understanding of the NYC shotspotter system or wanting less obvious gunshots.
The 3D print speaks to a desire to get away with it forever - otherwise why not just buy a real gun (and the required 4473 background check) that is guaranteed to work?
Because real life isn’t an episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
Except that does happen. Most criminals are pretty dumb, and make obvious mistakes that lead to capture via normal methods. But forensics exist to aid investigations that hit dead ends, or to narrow the search pool of suspects. A fingerprint at the scene would not make an arrest in a PA McDonalds. But a Terry patdown that ‘discovers’ a gun and suppressor, leads to an arrest, leads to thorough personal search, leads to booking, then forensic analysis.
Finding the gear on him was instrumental in that McDonalds encounter going from “this guy sus with fake ID?” to “he’s the CEO killer”. Presenting fake ID is a 3rd degree misdemeanor question mark for a beat cop that leads to more scrutiny, not “that’s the killer, look he even has the murder weapon”.
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
He displayed determination to get away, and planned accordingly. Didn’t stand there and magdump into the body, didn’t walk around NYC that morning wearing his face openly, didn’t use real ID, didn’t drive a car anywhere near the city, changed clothing after the murder, went out of his way to use an inferior firearm because it can’t be definitively linked via records, built and hefted a DIY suppressor around NYC public transit, used an RF blocking phone pouch/left his phone behind…
To then be caught days later with everything on him, and a semi-confession note? He couldn’t have found a body of water or hole in the ground to dump anything into? Ditching the backpack in Central Park was odd but burning it that morning was gonna draw attention, as was keeping on his back all day as he left the city. The police shut the bridges, sent out drones, dogs, etc and the shooter got away - dumb fluke? Or pre planned route that avoided known choke points and let him slip away?
You might want to read up the assassination of Franz Ferdinand (the person not the band in case you’re confused) assassinations are rarely fool proof plans
If you think about that Boston murder trial, or the YSL trial, you’ll remember how often the pigs lie. They love to lie. They lie under oath in court, and fabricate evidence, and they love to lie in press releases even more, because press releases can’t count as perjury.
Never take the cops at their word. Always examine the physical evidence. And this actually surprisingly not obvious, but don’t take the cops at their word for what the physical evidence is. The evidence itself is what you need to see, not someone’s account of said evidence.
Are the pigs lying here? I have some reasons to assume they are, other reasons to assume they’re not, and I’m going to watch the trial to see what’s real and what’s bullshit.
It’s sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn’t a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.
What’s sad is seeing people accept the police’s story at face value. You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to not be caught with everything needed to hand the case to the prosecution on a gold platter a week after you committed a crime in another state. This is either a set up, or Luigi intended to be caught.
I have the same issue with the idea that this is a setup as I do with a lot of other popular conspiracy theories, I just don’t see any possible motive that makes sense. This entire situation has been a total PR nightmare for everyone who could possibly have been involved in the alleged conspiracy. That Luigi intended/expected to be caught seems to me the simplest and most likely explanation for the set of facts we have available. If I were to speculate further, I’d guess Luigi didn’t expect to get as far as he did and was weighing his options while on the run, and basically just decided to turn himself in and chose a public place for his own safety.
Really? You really don’t see a motive to make a swift arrest of the man who just fired the shot that might set off the class war? After we just watched every billionaire sweat for the first time in their entire lives?
NCPD/FBI is being pressured extremely heavily to produce results, and the people doing the pressuring aren’t likely to care if the results are correct just as long as the results are visible - not to mention which, the agencies involved are kind of known for doing stuff like this before. The poors must be reminded that they will be swiftly hunted down and imprisoned or executed if they attempt to follow in the perpetrator’s footsteps. This message must be presented quickly and made visible to every citizen, make a big show of it so everyone knows what happens when you mess with them. (Like a 40-strong perp walk and accusations of terrorism in addition to murder, for instance. Hmm.)
Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy, continual pressure for results is going to become pressure to arrest a patsy instead so we can start the show already. The show must go on. And starting the show requires the star character.
I have no proof of any of this and it could reasonably be called a conspiracy theory, I guess. I expect no one will ever see anything approaching proof of this, for the usual reasons and methods that police misconduct is covered up with. But my common sense tells me that every detail of the arrest report practically screams “obvious plant” all over it, and the motive to do so is quite clear.
To me, the details of the arrest report scream parallel construction. A full setup and Luigi being a patsy suggests that every detail was chosen by whoever perpetrated the conspiracy, and there are a lot of details that strike me as very bizarre choices for them to make. I find it difficult to believe that the NYPD are simultaneously competent enough to find a believable patsy and execute an elaborate setup within a few days, but incompetent enough to accidentally turn the patsy into a relatable folk hero.
Luigi makes zero sense as a patsy. He has privilege, charisma, and intelligence. You don’t setup an ivy league educated cousin of a state house representative with money for good legal representation. Not even porky is that stupid (I hope).
or an oversight
He was a young adult having a mental breakdown. He clearly wasn’t thinking straight.
You have no idea if he was having a mental breakdown or if he was thinking straight. You only know what other people told you was happening, which may or may not be true, because they aren’t testifying under oath and you haven’t seen the evidence.
Jesus Christ dude. Pull your head out of your ass. You’re not Winston Smith.
Neither is your mom, but that didn’t stop her last night.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory to question the official narrative. Because you know, people never lie, especially not police. /s
Yeah it’s soooo sad that people don’t just believe everything the police tell them. It must be so hard for you, being so much more intelligent than everyone else. You must feel so much sorrow for all of us idiots who just can’t comprehend the universe as you do.
Nice to see someone else gets it.
I think that for someone who had the determination to:
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
Because real life isn’t a episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
Yes, board:investor meetings are publicly advertised. There’s headshots on LinkedIn. But that’s just it - the shooter pre planned to get at the one person, not storming an insurance office and “demanding to see the boss” or ambushing the CEO in his driveway.
Suppressors are long and heavy, even commercial ones that are well designed. Sneaking that big tube on the bus, subway, on the e-bike, and then just waking around displayed an desire to escape either via an understanding of the NYC shotspotter system or wanting less obvious gunshots. The 3D print speaks to a desire to get away with it forever - otherwise why not just buy a real gun (and the required 4473 background check) that is guaranteed to work?
Except that does happen. Most criminals are pretty dumb, and make obvious mistakes that lead to capture via normal methods. But forensics exist to aid investigations that hit dead ends, or to narrow the search pool of suspects. A fingerprint at the scene would not make an arrest in a PA McDonalds. But a Terry patdown that ‘discovers’ a gun and suppressor, leads to an arrest, leads to thorough personal search, leads to booking, then forensic analysis. Finding the gear on him was instrumental in that McDonalds encounter going from “this guy sus with fake ID?” to “he’s the CEO killer”. Presenting fake ID is a 3rd degree misdemeanor question mark for a beat cop that leads to more scrutiny, not “that’s the killer, look he even has the murder weapon”.
He displayed determination to get away, and planned accordingly. Didn’t stand there and magdump into the body, didn’t walk around NYC that morning wearing his face openly, didn’t use real ID, didn’t drive a car anywhere near the city, changed clothing after the murder, went out of his way to use an inferior firearm because it can’t be definitively linked via records, built and hefted a DIY suppressor around NYC public transit, used an RF blocking phone pouch/left his phone behind…
To then be caught days later with everything on him, and a semi-confession note? He couldn’t have found a body of water or hole in the ground to dump anything into? Ditching the backpack in Central Park was odd but burning it that morning was gonna draw attention, as was keeping on his back all day as he left the city. The police shut the bridges, sent out drones, dogs, etc and the shooter got away - dumb fluke? Or pre planned route that avoided known choke points and let him slip away?
You might want to read up the assassination of Franz Ferdinand (the person not the band in case you’re confused) assassinations are rarely fool proof plans
If you think about that Boston murder trial, or the YSL trial, you’ll remember how often the pigs lie. They love to lie. They lie under oath in court, and fabricate evidence, and they love to lie in press releases even more, because press releases can’t count as perjury.
Never take the cops at their word. Always examine the physical evidence. And this actually surprisingly not obvious, but don’t take the cops at their word for what the physical evidence is. The evidence itself is what you need to see, not someone’s account of said evidence.
Are the pigs lying here? I have some reasons to assume they are, other reasons to assume they’re not, and I’m going to watch the trial to see what’s real and what’s bullshit.