Here’s how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.
Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.
Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe
If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn’t make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.
If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.
We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs
Funny how all the z apologists don’t actually live in Russia🤣 getting call a Nazi by a literal nazi supporters🤣
I don’t support Russian or Ukraine Nazis. Eat my ass please!
Yes the country with a Jewish president is totally nazi sure nice logic there 🙄 👍 😉 👏
“How can you say America is racist, they had a black president!”
How can you say Russia is racist they invade a neighboring country killing 100k plus people
Nice bit
you had me for a second there but them you did the “But I have black friends” thing, complete with boomer Facebook emotes
Nice make belive arguments that I never made there buddy maybe I should let you and your straw man have some private time
Dirt Owl is our comrade not your buddy, get it right
Nice make belive arguments that I never made there buddy maybe I should let you and your straw man have some private time
Do you know who Röhm was?
The funny thing about Zelensky is not only is he Jewish, but he is a Russian speaking Jewish man. The parts of Ukraine that overwhelmingly voted for him were not the nazi hotbeds in Lviv but the Russian separatist regions of Donbass and Luhansk. Turns out support for Zelensky was strongest in the regions that wanted to leave in the first place? Why is this? Because Zelensky ran on a peace platform, and presented himself as in favor of Minsk II, against escalation with Russia, and not as much of a rabid reactionary as the (US-backed, nazi-glorifying) Petro Poroshenko, who was put in power through a transparent US-backed right-wing coup during Euromaidan in 2014.
The people in the Donbass and Luhansk regions mostly speak Russian. They were part of Russia historically, but Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev all granted more land to the Ukrainian SSR in an attempt to keep them happy and better integrate the agriculture with the industry.
This is why there was strong Russian identity in those regions, and strong separatist tendencies. The west half of Ukraine meanwhile, especially near Lviv, is the home of the most far right parts of Ukrainian society, who want to be part of NATO, who glorify nazi collaborators like Bandera, who join fascist street gangs like C14 and ethnically cleanse Roma people living in tents.
Zelensky presented himself as wanting to prevent the Ukrainian civil war (going on since 2014) from escalating into a full scale war with Russia, but after he got in office, he made few efforts to actually do this, and rather turned out to be a quite willing collaborator with the United States, and was willing to turn a blind eye to the reactionaries despite himself being a Russian-speaking Jewish man. He made a big show at the beginning of the presidency of filming himself “confronting” Azov battalion and telling them to put down their weapons. But guess what? He had no mechanism of enforcement. They didn’t take him seriously, and made clear their intention to violate any and all attempts to de-escalate. Zelensky, being a man who is Jewish and speaks Russia, is actually the perfect mascot this shit, because his surface appearance covers up the underlying reality. of the Banderite situation in Ukraine.
Just because someone speaks Russian doesn’t make them pro putin the people in the east know all about Russian Brotherhood it why the keep putting all the roadside bombs under Russian vehicles
My brother/sister/nb in Christ who do you think has been dropping bombs on people in the East for nearly the past decade?
Just because someone is jewish doesn’t make them anti nazi
Zelenskkkyyyy is a Nazi, his name literally starts with “Z” and you dare call us Z apologists lol
And I take it there is zero racism in America after Obama became president?
So i suppose there’s zero racism in Russia
So i suppose there’s zero racism in Russia
What has that got to do with this argument?
You said that it’s not possible for a country to have Nazi elements if it had a Jewish president. I pointed out that this is an illogical statement, as the USA still had plenty of anti black racism, even at the institutional level, while having a black president. So it’s definitely possible for a country to have Nazi elements and a Jewish president, just as it is possible for a country to have a black president and anti black racist elements in it’s social fabric.
There is likely lots of racism in modern day Russia, but I don’t see what that has to do with your argument.
The “explicitly leftist” midwest.social sure aren’t sending their best
You wouldn’t know a Nazis if they were goose stepping right in front of you. Nazis obviously do not care for Jewish people but their real enemy is and has always been the left. Otto Skorzeni litterally worked on behalf of the Israeli government. Walther Rauff, the inventor of “gas vans” also worked for Israel. About a dozen Nazis war criminals worked for Israel, and both the Nazis and the Israeli government knew this. Contemporary Nazis fucking love Israel because they’ve created a white ethnostate and admire their ability to have done so.
So to answer your question can Ukraine have a Nazi problem with a Jewish head of state? Absolutely, Nazis have no problem working with Jewish people when it serves their interests and it has served their interest to work with Zelensky because people such as yourself who are incapable of seeing through this thin veil guzzle the propaganda willingly and supported giving them a fuck ton of weapons to carry out pogroms on Roma and Russians.
Now your just babbling incoherent nonsense moral equivalence fallacy
You don’t know what words mean and it makes it very difficult to educate you. Watch this video
Fallacy is a countable noun, it needs to be pluralized in this context
Also, independent of that, you’re a fucking idiot
if timeToReadText > myAttentionSpan:text = incoherentNonsenseprint( projection[random.randint(1,1000)] )Lol. Does anyone have that video of the fascist leader talking about how Zelensky makes great cover for their activities?
Good to know everything a fascist movement needs to gain the unconditional support of unwitting liberals is to put a token jewish person on top. They could literally march all the others to the camps you would be cheering them saying “well the president is jewish so they cant be fascist.”
Ever hear of Emil Maurice, friend and bodyguard to Hitler, Founding member of the SS, Jewish, Honorary Aryan by decree?
Jewish people can, have, and do support nazis. Its actually racist to think that because of their heritage they are incapable of doing such. Its as bad as saying “African Americans love fried chicken.”
Do you think that anti-black racism stopped existing in America while Obama was president
The letter Z isn’t the new swastika, the swastika is still the swastika and the people who wear the swastika are still the nazis
You are the only nazi supporter here you bootlicking fascist scum
do you know what “literal” means? maybe the “literal nazis” are the people literally sporting nazi symbols, literally conducting pogroms and segregation on Roma people, and literally using cluster munitions against civilians in the Donbas
btw i used all western sources
Yep cause Russia sure ain’t bombing civilians Ukraine dropping them right on these civilian trenches
Why do people keep doing this? Why this deflection against admitting that there are many Nazis in the UA military establishment? Is it that important for you that UA be as pure and white as driven snow?
Why do people keep doing this? Why this defection against admitting that there are many nazi in the Russian military establishment? Is it that important for you that Russia be as pure as piss yellow snow
Nah dude round them all up and shoot them in the head I don’t care. I don’t have a dog in this race, I just hope someone finds a way to get peace talks under way to end the killing, and that NATO is weakened in the end.
You’re clearly the one who started deflecting
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/19/zrjy-j19.html
Do you see what’s happening? These fucking nazi fucks who have absolutely zero respect for human life are manipulating you with lies about atrocities by deliberately putting their own citizens in the crossfire of a war. This is the kind of shit nazis do. And your own institutions are the ones calling them out for it, not just the other side. And you just don’t hear it.
Good lord you people are completely insane
This is my favorite thing y’all do. When you’re presented something from a source you normally would trust on other subjects, but because it contradicts your preconceived notions its “insane”.
Libs always reveal themselves to be homophobic (stop sucking Putin’s dick) or ableist (you are fucking insane) when you push them hard enough.
I try to be fair about that second one because while I try to do so I haven’t cut “insane” out of my vocabulary either, but you’re right.
To be fair having beliefs that are not based in and are actually counter to material reality is pretty much the definition of insanity.
Saying something or someone is “insane” is a recognition that their beliefs are contrary to your own to such a degree that there is no reconciling them.
Sanity is a social construct based on shared belief and as such the lines are blurred on what is and is not sane, eg. in a evangelical christian setting belief in evolution is “insane.”
Also it was from a Russian lead grupe while Russia had the secretary General position
It appears that you are indeed that far up your ass. McCarthyite levels of paranoia and delusion.
Like they painted all the walls red at the general assembly.
The UN council on human rights? Are you THAT far up your ass?
good talk bud
Hey please allow yourself a Peak on the Real story , if you have the Curage …
you can repeat fascist lies as well , its your choice ,we try to help you …
notice how my argument is well sourced while yours has zero evidence presented. ur comeback doesnt even make sense— use some damn punctuation! and “civilian trenches”? lol! please try to be coherent
Oh hey I think you dropped this
if your front yard is a trench the HOA is gonna get mad
are you deliberately or only accidentally unable to distinguish between being a “Z apologist” and simply recognizing that the United Snakes created the current geopolitical situation by pitting former Soviet countries against each other and pouring money into the most reactionary ghouls in both Russia and Ukraine?
I’m not Russian, but you know people besides Americans use the internet right?
Russia pit Slavic country’s against each other funny how eastern Europe hates Russia just because they have done nothing but bring suffering and death to that region of the world for centuries funny how they want to align with the west and have money and health care and be able to live and not have Russian missiles fall on there head but america bad
your keyboard has a button to place breaks between sentences. Please utilize it.
The fact that you’re typing and posting so quickly that you can’t even use punctuation also implies you’re not putting a lot of thought into reading and understanding what people are telling you. And now I’m editing in a second sentence so that I need punctuation. I don’t feel like getting a childish comeback in my inbox.
See? You can still be right even as you spew nonsense and false equivalencies.
How do you get this confused you would be on the side of Hitler in world war 2
Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin
I invite you to consider that for most of their history the US was very pro nazi. The USSR is one of the few groups that has been consistently anti-nazi
Nazis? In my North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the West German government at all levels and…
sound like you don’t know what you are talking about. Germany and Japan first aligned themselves in the Anti-Comintern Pact which was literally an anti-communist alliance. The axis in ww2 was literally born as an anti-communist project. You are confused, you are so confused you would have sided with Hitler in world war 2.
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Imagine saying tankies would side with Hitler
props to your dentist for dealing with the consequences of the raw sewage propaganda you happily choose to slurp down.
Better than the raw sewage in Russian water
Russian water
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