Thanks Dems for doing jack shit about abortion bans, trans bans, the cost of living, the drone strikes, global warming, COVID.
Might as well just call them Blue conservatives. The outcome of voting for them is much the same.
I am in two minds about this:
Dems winning = Biden starting fights with everyone else on the planet (Trump also wanted to but he’s too scared to pull the trigger) = higher chance of everyone dying in a nuclear apocalypse
GOP winning = far worse ghoulish policies against minorities and stripping of civil rights in the country = higher chance of dying from deranged conservative government policy
no more half measures walter
please keep up this bit. it is good.
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I’ll never make that mistake again.
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That’s great and all but I’m more concerned that every GOP state is engaged in actual by the book per international law genocide against my friends and loved ones and the President is doing fuck all about it.
Like great, cool, awesome, symbolic gestures about a crisis that is far to advanced to avert, but could you please send the army in to Florida before they start murdering trans people at an industrial rate.
Man who the fuck was actually helped by that. Do you know anyone that can afford shit? I certainly don’t. All the folks I know that were trying their best but living paycheck to paycheck before the pandemic are living credit card to credit card now. Once that runs out they’ll probably be homeless. Inflation reduction only helps if it means people can actually afford shit.
Ok but Floridas oceans are boiling now so whats some minor green tech investment going to do?
Are they banning fossel fuel? No. Are they expanding public transport? No. Are they making it easier for people to work from home to reduce cars communitng? No. Are they abolishing the needless overproduction in the private sector that’s causing global warming? No.
They’re doing some light handed shit that will probably just result in a new kind of pollution (lithium batteries are bad for the environment.)
They’re never going to solve climate change under capitalism because the will never stop the ever growing production and consumption of the businesses that donate to them.
I will share with you an important moment in the history of my jokerfication
I was at a meeting of an org I used to be in that worked with democrats and a guy who described himself as “progressive” was making his pitch for our endorsement. I asked him if he would support creating a light rail network in the minor metro area I was living in. This metro area once had a light rail system that was ripped out to make way for cars.
He said he was not interested in such “antiquated” technology but was interested in supporting public transportation of the future.
Public transportation of the future? State-subsidized Uber
Anyway fuck vooting bloo for what little it’s worth (hardly anything) after they fucked Bernie I voted green in the general and next time for me it’s between Cornel West and Gloria LaRiva
I always laugh at the people who cry about needing to “compromise” on these things.
I want the forced nationalisation of the energy industry and a managed decline of fossil fuels. Passing legislation to regulate them instead is the compromise, now make it effective actually instead of this weak-ass incentive based bs
I always laugh at the people who cry about needing to “compromise” on these things.
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wantneed the forced nationalisation of the energy industry and a managed decline of fossil fuels. Passing legislation to regulate them instead is the compromise, now make it effective actually instead of this weak-ass incentive based bsFixed that for you
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Socialism or barbarism (through climate catastrophe).
Don’t let them tell you what’s possible
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I don’t want fully automated gay space communism, I want the very real tangible successes communists have and continue to make. No scratch that, we NEED that. The reality we live in is one in which communist nations still exist, in which third world progressive nations exist, in which disruption can and is done. You are spewing the same shit the 2nd International did, and you know what their detractors did? They created the freaking USSR
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I recommend this piece by Rosa as the revolution in Germany began in which she spells out how all their attempts in the national Assembly amounted to NOTHING
What is gained, then, with this cowardly detour called the National Assembly? The bourgeoisie’s position is strengthened; the proletariat is weakened and confused by empty illusions; time and energy are dissipated and lost in ‘discussions’ between the wolf and the lamb; in a word, one plays into the hands of all those elements whose intent is to defraud the proletarian revolution of its socialist goals and to emasculate it into a bourgeois democratic revolution.
But the question of the National Assembly is not a question of opportunity, not a question of the greater ‘convenience’. It is a question of principle, a question of the socialists’ knowledge of themselves and of the limitations of the revolution.
The first decisive step in the great French Revolution was taken in July 1789, when the three separate Estates combined in a joint National Assembly. This decision left its stamp upon the whole future course of events; it was the symbol of the victory of a new bourgeois social order over the medieval-feudal society of Estates.
In the same way, the symbol of the new socialist social order borne by the present proletarian revolution, the symbol of the class character of its true task, and of the class character of the political organ which is meant to execute this task, is: the workers’ council, based on representation of the urban and rural proletariat.
The National Assembly is an outmoded legacy of bourgeois revolutions, an empty shell, a requisite from the time of petit-bourgeois illusions of a ‘united people’ and of the ‘liberty, equality, fraternity’ of the bourgeois State.
To resort to the National Assembly today is consciously or unconsciously to turn the revolution back to the historical stage of bourgeois revolutions; anyone advocating it is a secret agent of the bourgeoisie or an unconscious spokesman of petit-bourgeois ideology.
The struggle for the National Assembly is carried on under the war-cry of ‘democracy or dictatorship’. Even socialist leaders obediently adopt these slogans of counter-revolutionary demagogues without noticing that this alternative is a demagogic falsification.
Today it is not a question of democracy or dictatorship. The question that history has placed on the agenda is: bourgeois democracy or socialist democracy? For the dictatorship of the proletariat is democracy in a socialist sense. It is not a matter of bombs, coups d’etat, riots or ‘anarchy’, as the agents of capitalist profit dishonestly make out; rather it is the use of all the means of political power to realize socialism, to expropriate the capitalist class – in the interests and through the will of the revolutionary majority of the proletariat, that is, in the spirit of socialist democracy.
Without the conscious will and action of the majority of the proletariat, there can be no socialism. In order to intensify this consciousness, to steel this will, to organize this action, a class organ is necessary: a national council of the urban and rural proletarians.
The convocation of such a representative body of labour in place of the traditional National Assembly of thebourgeois revolutions is in itself an act of the class struggle, a break with the historical past of bourgeois society, a powerful method of arousing the proletarian masses, a first open and abrupt declaration of war against capitalism.
No evasions, no ambiguities – the die must be cast. Yesterday parliamentary cretinism was a weakness; today it is an ambiguity; tomorrow it will be a betrayal of socialism.
European parties advocating for these things are not the path to them. Electoral parties dont bring you communism, and parties advocating in Europe is not the example to follow. Also what the fuck does Putin have to do with anything? The German left parties are pro-Ukraine, France has shattered communist parties, Italy collapsed in the 90s, etc etc. At most you have the reformist liberal Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
You cannot even begin to think outside of what established electoral parties advocate for. And in Europe no less. Venezuela, Bolivia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, India, etc are the examples to look at. Along with African movements for de-colonization. The US doesn’t NEED a realistic opposition to the two parties, because a party opposition merely funnels people back into electoralism. The Bolsheviks didn’t do the October Revolution by voting in the Provisional Government. Mao didn’t beat Chiang in a race. Ho didn’t campaign for votes against Nixon. Even the examples that are electoral like the CPI-M(Marxist) are weaker and on the backfoot, but in the places they have power got there through militant action borne out of literal uprisings in those regions during partition.
Electoral parties do not bring political change, and the fact that you give a shit what european parties think let alone that some of them(?) “work with Putin” shows that you don’t want political change, you want a friendlier bourgeoise system
That is why people who pronounce themselves in favour of the method of legislative reform in place and in contradistinction to the conquest of political power and social revolution, do not really choose a more tranquil, calmer and slower road to the same goal, but a different goal. Instead of taking a stand for the establishment of a new society they take a stand for surface modifications of the old society. If we follow the political conceptions of revisionism, we arrive at the same conclusion that is reached when we follow the economic theories of revisionism. Our program becomes not the realisation of socialism, but the reform of capitalism; not the suppression of the wage labour system but the diminution of exploitation, that is, the suppression of the abuses of capitalism instead of suppression of capitalism itself. -Luxemburg
The Communist Party is the historically determined political party of the revolutionary working classes…
With the creation of the Communist Party, the working class broke away from previous traditions and confirmed its own political maturity. The working class no longer wants to work together with other classes for the development and change of the bureaucratic parliamentary state; it wants to work to successfully ensure the development of its own class. It puts forth its candidacy as a ruling class and shows that it would only be able to carry out this historical role in an institutional framework different from the current, within a new state system and not in the pre-existing context of a bureaucratic parliamentary state.
With the creation of the Communist Party, the working class is able to present itself as the initiator of the political fight, as the driving force; no longer is it a mass movement which is guided by the superior system of another social class. The working class wants to govern the country and shows that it is the only class able to do so, through its own means and its own national and international institutions, to resolve current problems caused by the general historical situation. Who are the working class’ true forces? How many proletarians in Italy have become aware of their class’ historic mission? What kind of following does the Communist Party have in Italian society? In all the confusion, in the current chaos, do we already have the great figures required for a new historical arrangement? When different social forces, classes and sections of Italian society are continually separating then joining together, breaking down but then recomposing themselves, has a basic core already been created? Is there a strong and solid core which is faithful to the ideas and the agenda of the Communist International and the world revolution, around which the working class’ can form their new, but definitive, political and governmental organisation? These are the questions that will be answered through the elections.
So that a conclusive, concrete answer is given; one that can be verified in future because it has been documented, the Communist Party is running in the elections. When social forces are divided up by the elections, the Communist Party too will want to know who its troops are, to count up the figures which stand behind it. This is a necessary step in the historic process which should lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat and to the creation of a working class state. For communists, elections are one of the many forms of political organisation typical of modern society. The party is the best form of organisation; the unions and the councils are intermediary forms of organisation, in which the most aware members of the proletariat position themselves in the struggle against capital and in which recruitment takes place on a union platform. In the elections, the masses declare their overall political aims, their ideas of state, that the working class should be enabled as the ruling class. The Communist Party is in essence the party of the revolutionary proletariat, of the workers resigned to urban industry – yet they won’t be able to reach their goal without the support and consensus of other strands, such as the impoverished peasants and intellectual proletariat.
This is the statement of principle – what is the expansive force of the revolutionary proletariat today? How many individuals in the other working classes recognise the proletariat as the future ruling class and even today, despite the chaotic situation, despite the disappointment suffered, despite the terrorism that the reaction employs, intend to support it in its efforts?
The Communist Party does not hold false hopes about results it won’t obtain, especially since it has shown that it wants to abandon the bold demagogy with which the Socialist Party was able to ‘pull in the crowds’ in the past. Yet the more that the Italian population is plunged into chaos and confusion and the more forces breaking up previous incarnations of revolutionary forces have worked and continue to work, the more it becomes clear that we need to recruit faithful followers; loyal soldiers for the worldwide revolution and for communism. The dynamic and expansive importance of this will become ever more apparent as the situation becomes more tumultuous, and as it becomes clear that the means of the next party to present itself in the field of general Italian politics are insufficient.
-Gramsci
The point is “viability” as an electoral party being a concern means you have already failed to believe in the purpose of a Communist Party. The Socialist Party he refers to gained far more power than Communists ever do electorally, and was far more radical than the democrats ever have been, even under FDR. And yet that party when it held power changed nothing, the Communists did more through agitation pre-Eurocommunism. At best electoral or parliamentary left parties can work not by contesting elections but by refusing to vote or through guerilla tactics as Costello laid out
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Wow. That really matters.
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Trump never blew up NordStream and killed thousands of poor Europeans with that heinous act.
Imagine still trying to be a trump fan in 2023. Dude he tried to dissolve the democracy in order to stay in power. How much more smack to the back of the head do you need?
Pointing out the ways in which biden is worse than trump =/= being a trump fan
Depressing how this comes back here every few years like the ongoing history of american politics doesnt spell that out. It’s like people spent 7 years forgetting everything we talked about last time
well, it’s either the guy who’s terrible or the guy who will adopt the terribls guy’s policies in 7 years
You forgot the restoration of child labour.
don’t forget biden’s historic health care expansion (for victims of havana syndrome)
The democrats are as bad as the republicans, they just use different methods
I mean, they are blue conservatives. American politics are horribly skewed to the right, so your options are between conservative-lites and literally Nazis lol y’all are fucked.
Anyone else is unelectable, according to… my “Shadow, Inc” Iowa Caucus App projections.
Its less cruel to vote Blue, so you shuld still do it. Its whats called harm reduction.
That’s right, we harm-reduced the hell out of Roe v Wade
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Voting as part of an ongoing, multi-faceted strategy of civic and social engagement is fine. Especially because there are times where it directly leads to positive outcomes, like state Constitutional amendments that check legislative power. Voting can instead be a method of organizing, where after the election you keep together and continue to be activists in more direct ways.
Ballot questions are under attack by Republicans in many states because they’re the last remaining avenue for many political causes in the states that they’ve all but made themselves the single party dictators of.
Its sad how so many leftists have given up on voting, cause its not quick and sexy and all the choices suck. This pessimistic outlook gives the right more power and is so preventable. Voting for the lesser Asshole, dosnt hurt (to much).
Absolutely. Like, we should vote for the exclusive reason that a Democrat won’t vote to pass a national abortion ban in a world without Roe v Wade. Democratic governors aren’t ordering their CPS agencies to rip trans kids away from affirming parents or purging the state university system of leftists.
But please still vote. You can walk and chew gum.
Hey I still vote every year, now I just write in cooler candidates like Fidel Castro
I’m just a dude, and I’ve done more to elevate workers than Biden. I’m not voting for him, ever. Sorry.
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Declared the pandemic over. Removed most, if not all economic and healthcare protections for affected by the pandemic.
Still have immigrant concentration camps, just rebranded.
Billions wasted on trying to create a forever war for Russia.
Half hearted attempt to reduce college debt.
No attempts to protect abortion or LGBTQ+ rights.
Paltry environmental protection policies. Awful response to climate disasters that have gotten worse due to climate change.
I could keep going, but you get the point.
The vaccine was supposed to end the pandemic, but when not enough people got it to hit 80% immunity or whatever, liberal governments around the world were just like “uh, we pretend anyways?”
Also, I do think that marriage rights have been federally protected in legislation after ROE was struck down and they eyed going after gay and interracial marriage.
Still, I’d of course like to see him using federal land in red states to provide abortion access.
That said, I do also think things would be worse right now if Trump had remained president.
It’s not a sterilizing vaccine. It slightly reduces the chance of infection but it mostly just reduces the chance of hospitalization and death. The current vaccines cannot stop the spread of the virus.
The actual language of the “marriage protections” just lets the states do whatever they want. It’s not real protection.
The text of the Respect for Marriage act expressly prohibits states from denying same sex couples from marrying.
Ahh. I stand corrected, I did not know that.
So like, hey books about you are getting banned from schools but at least you can complain to your same-sex spouse about it ./s
Word. I’m in Colorado and there have been a lot of refugees coming in from Florida and Texas. : |
Don’t forget the recent decision on that baker that didn’t want to make a cake for a gay couple’s marriage. The SC ruled in favor of being able to decline service to LGBTQ+ people on the basis of freedom of religion and free speech. Something that could easily be abused to repress the queer community.
I don’t think any of us here are pretending that things under Trump would be fine, instead we question the merits of the argument of harm reduction under Biden.
Just because I can point to a few examples of how things aren’t worse, doesn’t mean there aren’t still things happening. Biden or Trump, the Supreme Court’s makeup wouldn’t be different – Ketanji Brown Jackson wouldn’t be on the court, but she only replaced another liberal who otherwise could have held on another 4-8 years I think. These rulings would have happened no matter who was President, but they’d be in addition to everything else the Trump Administration does on its own (and I don’t even mean kids in cages, since that’s still a thing, I mean things like how he wants to be able to directly control most government agencies and fire public sector workers personally).
The way I see things, it’s a sound political strategy for leftists to vote for someone like Biden and then use his liberal failures while in power to further radicalise people. IE, “yeah, he’s not gonna sign a national abortion ban or attack Critical Race Theory, but he also won’t expand the Supreme Court in order to protect these positions in the future”. I’d rather radicalise people by pointing out the failures of a liberal than by defending me and my friend’s literal existence from a fascist weaponizing every government agency against me.
All im saying is, that not voting blue means it wont be better it just gets worst. with no chance of it beckomming better.
Losing any leverage and bowing to the dems won’t give you the chance of things becoming better
I’m going to keep going lol
Meddled in the rail unions’ contract negotiations, then he and his party broke their strike after his corporate-friendly PEB’s agreement was rejected by the unions. And no, the crumbs that were thrown at the rank-and-file after the fact does not make up for it, no matter how many flowery press releases from union leadership get pushed out there.
Opposes universal healthcare, doesn’t even want a public option (but sure as hell campaigned like he did!). Likely not going to hear a peep about healthcare in the lead up to 2024, and this is with an ongoing pandemic that’s already taken the lives of over two million people and disabled tens of millions more.
Wants more cops and more funding for cops after sucking all of the oxygen out of the Black Lives Matter movement and neutering all of their demands. Favors more surveillance and more privacy invasion.
Doubled down on Trump’s immigration policies, sanctions on Cuba, and saber rattling over China, blew up Nordstream, bombed Syria (really, Biden’s entire foreign policy has been and is astoundingly inhumane and terrifying, even for a US ghoul).
Continued to retain or has re-hired plenty of Trump (and Obama…and Bush) appointees who have demonstrably awful track records.
Weak-to-no leadership even within his own caucus that has resulted in failures to raise wages, build infrastructure, strengthen regulatory powers, or combat an openly corrupt Supreme Court (plus, he’s rewarded the so-called obstructionists: Manchin and his family get pipelines and favors and special perks, Sinema gets to sit at the BBB negotiating table); that ended up doubling childhood poverty after spending a year touting its reduction by only half for some reason; that led to countless unnecessary deaths from nixing all sorts of programs and protections from a pandemic he pretends doesn’t exist even harder and even more callously than his predecessor.
Above all, is simply Reagan in a blue tie, who is to the right of Reagan on several issues, more senile, and ultimately serves the entrenched power of capital and bourgeois interests that are destroying the planet. On its face, that should be enough for a leftist to hate his guts, but I also think he’s a racist piece of shit, a sex pest, anti-labor, a serial liar, and an all-around slimeball and shitheel, and I base this on his entire miserable life as a politician, which has seemingly been memory-holed ever since Super Tuesday.
None of the above is “harm reduction,” and the diminishing returns of using the specter of a Republican doing worse only reinforces my belief that the Democrats are aware that there isn’t any effective distance between the parties other than aesthetics and won’t do a thing to change that perception, seeing as we get Republican policies regardless of who’s in office.
Not voting all is fixing that in what way.
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DO NOT try to fight mitch mcconell on the astral plane. he is TOO STRONG
I’m specifically pissed because they haven’t reduced harm
Harm was reduced, by not increasing it as much. Be real, the usa is fuckt, you cant expect magic silver bullets.
Fucker still owes me $600
Covid is over! One of my friends can’t taste half their food, but covid is over! Just like Roe.
Plus $20k for my student loans
Which, to the best of my knowledge, he can still cancel with a signature.
Yes but then the loan companies would be upset! And we all know democracy is when businesses have more say in politics than the people
Can you help me win over some voters on the fence? I tried explaining to my coworkers that Biden cutting their food stamps by more than half was harm reduction and good for the soul of the nation, but they just won’t donate $50 to the Beto O’Rouke alderman campaign
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If he cant agree that people like Ron deSantis are Fashists, im sorry i wish i knew how to help. If he can recognise Fashists why would he not want to vote against that?
Doing an insanely small amount better than the other slave master is not a good thing. “They stabbed me five times, but the other guy would’ve stabbed me seven!”.
Sure, please vote for five-times-stabber instead of ol’ seven-timeser, but by gods neither are worth defending in any sense.
You’re right, Trump’s half-measures on covid were much better than Biden’s no-measures.
Edit: I think I missed a key word in your comment and thought you were genuinely saying voting for the lesser evil is good, my bad
Typing :Hindenburg: really ought to do something here
I’m not keen on defending democrats, but there would absolutely be a federal abortion ban right now if Trump had been re-elected.
Our government is in extremely bad shape, one federal election isn’t going to fix it.
Roe v Wade was overturned under the Biden administration, idk if you missed that.
You do understand that this happened because of the supreme court, and not because of Biden, right? And the supreme court was able to do this because of Trump. Could you explain what Biden should have done to protect abortion rights on a federal level?
He could have packed the court. Have you ever watched The Alt-Right Playbook Series? I think it does a good job of explaining some of the reasons why the democrats are mostly useless. It doesn’t get into the problem of both the Ds and Rs being capitalists, but it does explain how Ds wag their fingers and Rs just keep doing wild shit anyway.
Biden could literally declare them unlawful enemy combatants and have them shot. He’s the president of the united states of america he can do whatever he wants.
Surely! Here’s a small and incomplete list of things he could do, at varying levels of usefulness and ease:
An executive order legalizing abortion nationwide
Pack the Supreme Court
Move the Supreme Court justices to lower courts and replacing them
Simply ignore the Supreme Court, as several presidents have done in the past (Andrew Jackson being the most notable)
Get his fucking party in order and pass a law legalizing abortion back when he had the majority in both the house and senate
Open abortion clinics on federal land nationwide, claiming new land to do it on if there’s none available in a needed location
Threaten to drone strike Clarence Thomas
Withhold highway funds from states that ban abortion
An executive order declaring banning abortion a felony, and then arresting every politician who implemented a ban
Call for a general strike until abortion rights are re-established
Personally sanction governors of states that ban abortion, freeze their bank accounts, seize their companies, all the shit we do to foreign leaders we don’t like
Call for people in states that ban abortion to burn down their state capitols
Joe Biden is the President of the United States of America, the most powerful empire the world has ever seen. He’s not a powerless smol bean. If he actually wants something to happen, there’s a long list of ways to go about it. If something does or doesn’t happen under his watch, that is his responsibility.
I’ve always been saying that if it were two Republicans that had held up every Trump legislative priority, Trump would have been bullying them every day until they acquiesced, but Biden allowed Manchin and Sinema to do exactly that and acted all powerless.
Isn’t it odd how the Presidency is only weak when it comes to Democrats passing their own platforms?
Oh my god, can you imagine if it was Ted Cruz and Mitt Romney holding things up? Trump would’ve had them killed if McConnell didn’t do it first. But the republicans don’t have that problem because they actually keep their members on the party line where it matters
Of course. But one also has to question if the Democratic Party line is one of rotating villains. I don’t think it’s conscious, but Democrats probably felt like they do keep their members on the party line because large chunks of their sitting representatives are openly hostile to progressivism, so Manchin isn’t “out of line” to them.
Liberals will huff about him and Sinema, then turn around and excuse their actions because they’re from West Virginia and Arizona, and “can’t” be like “coastal dems” if they want to be re-elected to which I’m just like “then what use are they to you?”
so do democrats. what you’re seeing is not them failing to keep their party in line. this is their line.
Fair point, I should say the party line democrats claim to have.
can I have the “maoist biden” flavor?
He can drone strike the Supreme Court. But that will be saved for random children in one of the many countries that the US is occupying 🙄
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there would absolutely be a federal abortion ban right now if Trump had been re-elected.
There will be a federal abortion ban in another few years, half a dozen Dem Senators will vote for it, and if you suggest they should be recalled or primaried out then you’ll actually be on the side of the Republicans.
Yeah because we should totally trust that the guy who spent 99% of his career opposing reproduction rights just couldn’t do anything to stop the supreme court from overturning Roe
Yeah, seems like Biden just let it happen because even if his position changed publicly for the 2020 election, what he believes behind closed doors never changed
I get the impression no one in the senior dems actually cared about abortion. Pelosi saying it wasn’t important, multiple failures to pass legislation. The unforgivable acceptance of fash scotus’ lies when they said they weren’t going to overthrow roe. They’ve never done anything to protect abortion on the national level, and the simplest explanation is they don’t give a shit.
Oh yeah,
%
I still remember
picking an anti choice VP in 2016
Ugh. Tim fucking Kaine. “Vote for me and we’re one heartbeat away from a catholic fanatic taking office!”
The Dem strategy on abortion was always to campaign and fundraise and do nothing material.
Its still their strategy, but it was their strategy, too.
That’s the problem. We don’t have a liberal party and a conservative party anymore. We have a conservative party and a regressive party
we have von hindenberg and the NSDAP
A liberal party is bad on its face. Better they show exactly what liberalism truly is than mask it better. When the dems where a “liberal” party they did fucking Vietnam
The democrats were always a conservative party, it’s just that the republicans shifted to a mask-off fascist party around 2016.
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The Democratic Party just represents another faction of the bourgeoisie. They only “support” different social issues to opportunistically appeal to a different voting blocs, but they have little or no intention to truly do anything. The only constituency they serve are just a different group of capitalists. Once you understand this, that all bourgeois politicians don’t represent you at all, US politics and policy decision making becomes crystal clear.
Dirt Owl with one of those doctors’ reflex hammers, meticulously tapping every possible lemmy lib struggle session topic and standing back to watch.
I’m here for it
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