“Progressive” Shitlibs when they allow bigots on their platform and Queer people dont like them
(Im pretty sure eveyone other than world users hate world)
.world user here. I also hate .world.
.world has now moved onto banning people for calling out transphobia. It was bad when they banned users for calling out the Democrats’ involvement with the genocide of Palestinians, but now they ban users for being “aggressive” with transphobes.
That’s concerning… I don’t follow instance drama, but if that’s even half true I’ll switch. Have a source that I can read?
You can check my mod log, there’s an example.
I’m sorry, I can’t find any /c/ comm you mod on your profile. So I can’t find your modlog. I also don’t see a reference to anything like what you’re saying on the first page your comments and I don’t feel comfortable digging deeper. Can you provide a link or point me in the right direction?
I mean my personal log. You can click the 3 dots and then look at my moderation history for content I posted, not moderated. I don’t moderate anything on this account.
I didn’t even think to look there! Thanks for being patient with me. I forget there is a whole fediverse you can link together.
No worries! It wasn’t obvious with my wording, haha.
Yea… I am glad I have .world on my block list.
To be fair, sh.itjust.works’ admin thinks Russia and China are pushing “gender ideology” to radicalize western youths against the US, and it’s home to NCD and MWoG, 2 of the most right-wing communities on Lemmy.
Saying that the russians are the ones pushing “gender ideology” on the west is an absolutely senile opinion to hold. For years every russian news channel has been hollering that it’s The West™ poisoning russian society with “LGBT propaganda”. Did that guy really try to pull a “no u” on the entirety of russian state media?
What the actual fuck did I just read?
“I’m not a transphobe, but more people realising they’re trans is a psyop by h o s t i l e g o v e r n m e n t s and trans people should sit quietly in the corner if they don’t want to get hatecrimed.”
🤡🤡🤡
I’m not “X” but, (insert the most vile thing people in group X usually say)
This is a stereotype that predates the internet.
Just the standard affair for users of that comm, sadly.
lol this is insane
What are NCD and MWoG?
Non-credible defense, basically 4chan but for the millitary, and overwhelmingly loves western millitaries and NATO.
MeanwhileOnGrad is the other, it’s an anti-communist instance maintained by a “former” gamergater that hasn’t changed their views too much considering they complain about “wokeness” and “forcing equity.” That’s actually where the transphobic admin comments came from.
The two comms share a lot of users, and form some of the most active right-wing userbases on Lemmy. Both openly maintain that they aren’t right wing, but there’s blatant open transphobia and complaining about DEI from prominent users that gets highly upvoted there, so more than anything that’s telling about what the actual stances are.
I follow NCD mainly for the memes about Russian military, I have never paid enough attention to see any gender discussion or similar…
NCD is Non Credible Defense, a military meme community. Not sure what MWoG is.
I personally don’t do a lot of hating
I personally dont hate individual people, I hate concepts and organizations (like Neoliberalism and bigotry) :3
Is bigotry an organization???
Jk, the phrasing worked funny…
Yes we call it “the legal system”
You know it’s gotten pretty bad when even the anarchist flag usernames are meming about how ridiculous the anti tankie attitude is.
I’ve been more people complaining about Tankies than anything actually based on what Tankies support. But I’ve seen plenty of shitlibs openly supporting for biogtry on .world
Your instance probably filters them from you.
Nah, I get hexbear users popping up. Unsure of lemmygrad.
Dbzer0 is defederated from Grad as far as I know. The admins are generally hostile towards MLs, they only allow Hexbear because it has a significant Anarchist presense.
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You aren’t on Grad.
True left unity is uniting against .world
Imo anarchists and people who even lean that way have a big interest in making sure tankie doesn’t get used as an insult for anyone to the left of liberals, real tankies grouped and killed anarchists, letting everyone be called tankies and not just real tankies means Anarchists are less safe.
Yup. Mutual aid and mutual security are closely tied. Any top down heirarchal structure, no matter how temporary you’re told it will be, is against the interests of the workers/proletariat/commoner.
Communists worked closely with fascists in Italy to have anarchists killed when Mussolini was in power.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Italy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Benito_Mussolini
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Well that’s a strawman if I’ve ever seen one
Aside from conservatives, does anyone think the world is controlled by marxists, tankie or otherwise?
The meme is about lemmy.world and American liberals are center-right conservatives so…
American liberals are centre-left progressives* FTFY
Can you define center-left in global terms and then in the context of US politics? There’s a very important distinction there that you are glossing over.
The way i see it, the global center-left refers to political ideologies and parties that advocate for a moderate form of social democracy or progressive policies while still operating within a capitalist framework.
In America, center-left describes individuals or movements that align with progressive or liberal values which includes things like support for social welfare, promoting civil liberties and backing environmental initiatives.
Although I’m not American, this is how i usually see them being portrayed in the media, so i could be glossing over some things.
In the global terms of political discourse the Democratic party is as of the most recent election now Center Right and the Republican party is Far Right. The Dems in the US, in recent history, started moving to the right with Clinton, arrived at the center with Obama and have now moved into the right with Biden/Harris/Walz.
https://manifesto-project.wzb.eu/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2008/07/obamas-steady-centrism-011880
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-10-10/2024-election-kamala-harris-policy-shifts
Hmm interesting context i didn’t know about. It would seem to me, however, that this is only a reflection of the direction the party leaders are taking the party towards and not actual sentiments of party members. The democrats are a huge contradiction basically.
Sanders in 2016 proved that only the Dem Party leader interests matter to the Dem Party.
The closest is the PRC, though all Marxists understand that the US is the current hegemon.
I haven’t been able to take the word “tankie” seriously in most cases since I asked that to someone on Reddit and they linked a meme praising anarchist Catalonia
Yeah, it’s kind of lost all meaning. I’ve seen Marxists call Liberals tankies, and I’ve seen Liberals calls Marxists tankies. I’ve seen right wingers call Leftists tankies, and I’ve seen Leftists call Centerists tankies. I know where the word came from, and who the first tankies were but I rarely know what a person’s intent is with that word anymore. Maybe it’s just young people slang now and I’m just too old to get it.
Because I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it anymore and what’s it seems weird and scary. And it’ll happen to you!
Basically my thoughts are, if you give slight pushback to American talking points you get called a tankie. It’s kind of annoying.
That’s not really a thing neoliberals say…
They definitely complain about the tankies being a big part of the culture of Lemmy, and housing some of the biggest communities, but the statement in the comic isn’t even remotely a thing neolibs or the .world demographic says
So this comic kinda just feels like a strange, confusing straw man…
The only times I hear of tankies is from how annoying they are in online forums, their only power being in their subreddits and lemmy instances. The only references to Marxists are from idiots repeating MAGA talking points.
Nothing appears to exist if you never open your eyes
Real eyes realize real lies
Really bro? That’s what we’re doing now?
L
Yea this is what happens when you tolerate hexbear
Wow Toler ate your face
They aren’t even from hexbear
I know. Cancer spreads.
Leftism is cancer now?
Reaction images are leftism now?
Blazeit
This is a self explanatory meme, get some fucking perspective. Leftists have been fully destroyed around the world yet every meta thread on lemmy.world are people in a panic about “tankies” which maybe count in the dozens world wide. Chill out. The stress from being so self righteous might give you cancer.
I don’t care about tankies. I care about the fucking image reactions that make using this website intolerable
Lol, ok…
How dare I not take a meme seriously. This is very serious business! We should have a debate
Political memes are not just leisure, they do have the potential to reinforce people’s views.
So, if you do want to share a political perspective, better not be too “unserious” about it.
The meme is really self explanatory though. I’m not going to think for you. If you get it then its funny, if you don’t it isn’t my job to hold your hand. Feel free to use the downvote button that doesn’t even federate to my instance.
You don’t have to have a debate, but using that image as a reaction makes you look like a child. Just respond thoughtfully, or don’t respond at all.
the liberals got the world they fought so hard for when USSR was dissolved, against the will of the people, and they havent stopped crying about it since
Didn’t it die because everyone including Russia wanted out? Closest to the will of the people for keeping it they got was having the only referendum they ever had be about if USSR should be basically replaced with some other form of union. Which is not great.
It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered. Then the soviet union broke up and 7 million people died from capitalist shock therapy aided by bourgeois “democratic” governments.
It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered.
I thought it was a hardliner coup that tried to stop implementation of the New Union Treaty that people voted for. Funny that they wanted to prevent the decentralization and ended up causing a total decentralization by way of making even this new union unpalatable.
Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn’t want to have them before lel
The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.
Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn’t want to have them before lel
The soviet union was constantly under siege since its infancy. Its latter years were marked with reforms which took power away from the local level of federated democracy and liberalized many aspects of their society. At the end capitalist viewpoints were being printed and published in state run and paid for media. It died a death of a thousand cuts since ww2 killed so many of their rank and file best-disrupting their lower level democracy-, and Stalin’s re-democratization efforts were cut short by his assassination.
The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.
Huh? People voted for the NUT (heh).
“The referendum asked whether to approve a new Union Treaty between the republics, to replace the 1922 treaty that created the USSR. […] The referendum’s question was approved by nearly 80% of voters in all nine other republics that took part. However, the August coup attempt by hardliners of the Communist Party prevented the anticipated signing of the New Union Treaty that was due to take place the next day.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
People voted for the treaty in the referendum, hardline communists stopped the signing because they didn’t like it.
This was the text (translated):
Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?
Yes, that renewed federation was what the New Union Treaty was supposed to bring about before being stopped. That’s what they voted for.
Did you not read the article? It’s right before that referendum text…
THIS is why people have a problem with “tankies.”
Budapest, 1956.
Whatever you do, don’t look up the numbers of Soviet officials lynched before the tanks were sent in, or who the counter-revolutionaries set free from prison to help with the lynching and rioting (spoiler: literal Nazis).
Hey dont forget who funded and equipped the counter-revolutionaires (The CIA)
My family comes from Iran and Iraq
THIS is why I have a problem with “liberals”
Baghdad, 2003
So in your mind this is the reason that there was an Imperial war in Iraq and was worth going in with no plan and collapsing the government and leaving it as an open warzone for over 20 years where over a million people either been killed, wounded or permanently displaced? Who funded Saddam Hussein in that war since 1982? Where did those chemical weapons come from? In what world is the US have a right to be the global police anyway? I think the worst possible way to make up for the Halabja massacre is to completely destroy the country and its economy for multiple generations, but that’s typical of a police mentality. Not actually dealing with a problem just killing more and more people.
This is such a bullshit troll post from an ignorant person.
Your fucking countryThe US funded BOTH SIDES of this war, one side directly, the other clandestinely by trafficking drugs and weapons in Central America in a major scandal. You posted another outcome of American imperialism.You are a deeply unserious clown of a person to just google atrocities of Saddam Hussein as if that makes up for what the Americans did. Iraqis should have had a chance to deal with him themselves, not have their entire country destroyed. Halabja isn’t even why the Americans invaded in 1990, they lied about Iraqis killing babies in hospitals to cover for their Kuwaiti oil interests. Halabja isn’t why Americans invaded in 2003, they lied about evidence of WMD. You don’t know what you are talking about, you are an ignorant
Yankfascist dipshit.Poland funded neither side, it was busy being occupied by a hostile foreign power.
So you have no idea what you are talking about and no idea about the context of the photo you sent and posted it why? You think that absolves Americans or liberals? Saddam Hussein wasn’t a tankie either. You’re so steeped in your fash NCD bullshit you just googled an unrelated atrocity and sent it as if it proves a point? Why to back up your fascist heroes? Thanks for proving ignorance and fash go hand in hand. Don’t bother answering I block fascist clowns.
So only Americans are allowed to have an opinion just so you can disregard it for being American? Seems like iraqis like genocide and strawmans!
I’ve been doing antiwar protests since Iraq- absolutely massive and totally ignored by the government. It was a bit radicalizing.
I’ve always considered myself an anarchist. These days I get called a tankie just for being opposed to wars and vocally opposing my own governments complicity in genocide. Somehow the meaning of tankie got flipped to mean the people opposed to sending in the tanks. Most ml’s I’ve known are the first people to shit on Khrushchev anyways.
Do you support Chinese or Russian imperialism? Do you think Uyghurs are being peacefully integrated into society? Do you think the Ukranian president is a Nazi? Was Assad forcefully ousted by Western powers for merely doing what is best for Syria? Does China have a right to control Taiwan and all territorial waters around Taiwan? Is North Korea the greatest and most transparent democracy?
The US is currently complicit in a genocide that BiBi and Trump are looking to expand. Australia is expanding and encouraging a genocide in Papua New Guinea for mineral rights on the islands. Germany is flirting with literal Nazis because of energy prices. The Entire West is overlooking slavery in Saudi Arabia for cheap oil.
If you make apologies for “Communist” imperialism and only decry Western imperialiasm you might be a tankie. That’s the general definition as I understand it. I’m happy to be corrected and learn more.
Yea, neoliberal ideology is fucked all around. I prefer progressives over self declared libs.
Neoliberals are right wingers
Yes. And there’s no actual left in the US. And it’s dwindling everywhere else too. Scary times.
Two things can’t be bad at the same time, I guess.
Ah yes, the famous liberal, George Bush.
Holy shit guys he almost gets it.
You’re right there dude. Micrometers from figuring it out.
When you draw the line of Liberal v Conservative so far to the right it includes George Bush, it ceases to lose all meaning.
Liberals were so proud to have Dick Cheney’s endorsement last election. And they were big mad that GWB didn’t endorse.
Liberalism is the ideological component of Capitalism. Conservativism is a type of Liberalism.
You do know that the wars spanned multiple administrations including democratic ones right? Also all American politicians of “both” parties are liberals.
Bill Clinton launched “Operation Desert Fox” to prepare and position the US imperial army ahead of “Operation Iraqi Freedom”
That is all accurate and I don’t disagree with you. But the picture was of an invasion under Bush, not Clinton, so I responded as such.
The problem that I take is l:
Also all American politicians of “both” parties are liberals.
I’m wondering what your definition of Liberal is. Up until like 2020, it was Liberal v Conservative and when I look it up in the dictionary I get “Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.”
But Liberal on Lemmy appears to be anything to the right of a theoretical Star Trek post scarcity utopia.
The internationally recognized measure of left-right. Not the uniquely American one that’s skewed all to fuck.
There is no left at all in American politics. The closest we’ve gotten is Bernie Sanders. He’s a moderate everywhere but here.
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the parties of the US and was an imperial war that would have occurred no matter who was the “president” of the US
Both parties in the US share an ideological commitment to capitalism and function as a uniparty to manage the empire. From the
CIAWikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[4][5]: 11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
This has some good aspects and is an improvement from the monarchies that came before it but he clear problems that Marx brought into question in the 19th century. As capitalists have progressed, liberalism in the US particularly has become neoliberalism which is not something communists want and is a precursor to fascism. Liberals fight socialists and communists to maintain their private property and capitalism.
If you are talking in the context as an American of that ridiculous farce of a government “liberals” means the Democratic party, to an anarchist outsider, they are all liberals. I do not believe in or support private property or market economies and think they come in direct opposition to economic and political freedom.
They have a problem with stopping a fascist counter-revolution that did anti-jewish pogroms and elevated the landlord class in Hungary?
Marxist Leninists are defined primarily by two principles:
- Anti Imperialism / Internationalism
- Defense and Construction of Socialism
It means that the Soviet Union was chiefly responsible for ending the Holocaust and supporting liberation struggles around the world. It means Cuba was able to transform itself from a strip-farmed slave and prostitution hell into a Democratic republic governed meaningfully by the Cuban people with dignity and education for all. All across east Asia it’s secured home rule and governments who meaningfully care and are comprised by regular working and peasant peoples. Marxism Leninism is the historical force which has been shown to be most able to grapple with the complex realities of our world dominated by white supremacy and capitalism, and fought back.
It’s the reason that the supposed atrocities commuted by socialist countries are minor compared to the grand historic crimes of empires like France, Britain, the US, Germany, Japan, etc. Mistakes are made and have been made by socialist countries, sure, of course; but they were the first nations to attempt to meaningfully house people for the sake of housing. They were the first projects to successfully overthrow colonialism, and to raise literacy rates to an absurd degree even higher than in the United States today. These socialist projects need to defend themselves because very few other historical forces have shown anywhere near the potential to make a better world.
So call it whatever you like, it’ll never erase the monumental good it’s done for the world.
THIS is why people have a problem with Anti-Communists
Statistics from 80 days into a ~460 day genocide, Gaza, 2025
in order to combat leftist propaganda lemmy.flatearth is now forcing disinformation onto its communities. The red scare runs deep.
Seriously?
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Who told you not to trust anything the US said?
This is meme is for people who are incapable of forming their own thoughts but have been told they are, aka, tools of propaganda.
Who told you not to trust anything the US said?
Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.
Being educated is a sufficient cause to distrust all governments.
Idk I like it when the proletariat is able to dictate the course of society
Also your reply contradicts your statement that I first replied to.
Not at all.
Someone told you not to trust either. Presumable not the same person, presumable American government told you not to trust China but that begs then question who told you not to trust the American government.
Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.
Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.
There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed.
who told you not to trust the American government.
You don’t have to be told not to trust it. Even deluded Chuds who guzzle US corporate propaganda all day don’t trust it.
Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.
No, the meme implies that your distrust isn’t justified, not that trust is justified.
Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.
Okay, have you talked to any recent(as in the last 10 years) immigrants from China who don’t make way over the median US income? Or hell, earlier immigrants mostly only complain about the liberalization period under Deng.
There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed
This doesn’t really acknowledge the class character of the state.
Why would immigrants be trusted source?
People have personal biases, good and bad. People have confirmation bias. It sounds like the immigrants biases have confirmed your biases.
Even if I were to ignore all of that, your experience is an anecdotal data point for me so my opinion that no government should be trust remains.
Given that I’m not attempting to replicate or advocate for any specific form of government this seems prudent.
For anyone still reading and is really bored, my personal belief is that the only path forward is an society that is governed by immutable mathematical agreements.
It’s hard to describe what I have in mind in a comment as there are many interacting pieces that together create a system that requires no government, no leaders, no fake money and no ambiguity.
I can say the same for China
Except you literally can’t.
The government that actively tries to censor elements of news from their citizens. Yeah buddy, sure thing.
I said
“Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.”
You replied:
“I can say the same for China”
I replied:
“Except you literally can’t.” Meaning you don’t live in China so you can’t make the claim with similar level of authority
And then you made the comment I replied to, and I don’t see at all how it is connected to the line of conversation.
I guess I can’t because i don’t live in China, but you understand the point of my argument yet choose to play semantics. It’s fine
I have a brain, you know.
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