Faced with existential threats from the right, the Democratic leadership remains timid; faced with demands for justice from the left, it goes on the attack.
You havn’t given any proof that Obama has magical powers to chose nominees. Of course I’m not going to believe vague claims of magical powers with no proof.
If we are going to consider Biden’s willingness to project racism
I am fucking sick of ALL identity politics. It is the main reason why Dems are losers.
This is a pretty well understood aspect
This is your example?
[In the U.S., concerns that exit polls or winner declarations from the East Coast would influence ongoing voting on the West Coast…"]
OF COURSE, that would change behavior. This is citing a case where the outcome was literally already determined. That is hugely different from your assertion, that Obama caused Sanders to lose the primary. Which is absurd.
You havn’t given any proof that Obama has magical powers to chose nominees.
When did I assert that? Note that I’ve given you links for several points so far and you just ignore that you were wrong and pick at the rest. It’s like creationists where every newly found “missing link” just creates two more missing links before and after. However, in full knowledge that this is a waste of time, here are some links.
But some of his aides now concede that behind the scenes Obama played a role in nudging things in Biden’s direction at the crucial moment when the Biden team was organizing former candidates to coalesce around Biden.
That’s about as close as your going to get when it comes to back room deals. There were also a number of people from inside the campaigns and Obama’s team that spoke to Obama’s involvement, but those are harder to find and I doubt you would care anyways.
I am fucking sick of ALL identity politics. It is the main reason why Dems are losers.
It’s certainly a factor. However, it’s the way the Democrats use identity politics to avoid real issues. Biden in particular blatantly uses these issues as a shield.
This is citing a case where the outcome was literally already determined. That is hugely different from your assertion,
Not really. It happens in every single contested Democratic primary, and voters rarely have an accurate understanding of where a race stands.
Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote. There is no way that millions of people changed their votes because of anything Obama did. But yes, pretending there was an Evil Mastermind pulling the strings and controlling the votes of millions sounds a lot more exciting then the boring reality that a majority of voters, for whatever reason, did not understand how great of a politician Bernie Sanders is.
Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote.
Yeah, talking to you is useless. I never said he did that. I explained exactly what I was talking about, and Obama directly influencing individual voters was not part of it. We’re done.
You havn’t given any proof that Obama has magical powers to chose nominees. Of course I’m not going to believe vague claims of magical powers with no proof.
I am fucking sick of ALL identity politics. It is the main reason why Dems are losers.
This is your example?
[In the U.S., concerns that exit polls or winner declarations from the East Coast would influence ongoing voting on the West Coast…"]
OF COURSE, that would change behavior. This is citing a case where the outcome was literally already determined. That is hugely different from your assertion, that Obama caused Sanders to lose the primary. Which is absurd.
When did I assert that? Note that I’ve given you links for several points so far and you just ignore that you were wrong and pick at the rest. It’s like creationists where every newly found “missing link” just creates two more missing links before and after. However, in full knowledge that this is a waste of time, here are some links.
https://www.salon.com/2019/11/27/obama-privately-vowed-to-intervene-in-primary-to-stop-bernie-sanders-from-winning-nomination-report/
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/26/obama-privately-considered-leading-stop-bernie-campaign-combat-sanders-2020-surge
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-warns-2020-democrats-warren-sanders
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/barack-obama-joe-biden-2020-campaign-178115
And a quote from that last link:
That’s about as close as your going to get when it comes to back room deals. There were also a number of people from inside the campaigns and Obama’s team that spoke to Obama’s involvement, but those are harder to find and I doubt you would care anyways.
It’s certainly a factor. However, it’s the way the Democrats use identity politics to avoid real issues. Biden in particular blatantly uses these issues as a shield.
Not really. It happens in every single contested Democratic primary, and voters rarely have an accurate understanding of where a race stands.
Making a phone call or two is not the same thing as dictating how millions of people vote. There is no way that millions of people changed their votes because of anything Obama did. But yes, pretending there was an Evil Mastermind pulling the strings and controlling the votes of millions sounds a lot more exciting then the boring reality that a majority of voters, for whatever reason, did not understand how great of a politician Bernie Sanders is.
Yeah, talking to you is useless. I never said he did that. I explained exactly what I was talking about, and Obama directly influencing individual voters was not part of it. We’re done.