Conservatives don’t care.
Their blinkers don’t allow them to even see things like that. They’re just focused on seeing the people they hate made to suffer, and as long as that happens, they’re content. The rest is just trivia.
“blinkers” = “blinders”’ I presume?
“It’s just a joke! I love it when he triggers the libs like this!” /s
<Trump Crowns himself> " God, this is so funny! I bet the liberals are so pissed now. They don’t get that this is just merely just for show." <Trump dissolves the Senate> “He’s the best! He’s doing exactly what he said he would do, he just permanently drained the swamp! Wooo! Trump saved America.” <Trump strips away the rights of low-value citizens> “Hell yeah! Why should I have to fund their pathetic existence! America is the greatest Democracy.”
I guarantee they will always find a way to pay homage their golden idol.
In a very real sense, those people do not have beliefs. They think reasons are things you make up based on what you’ve already concluded. Business snubs their outgroup? ‘Well it’s their right to blah blah blah vote with your wallet yay capitalism.’ Business snubs their ingroup? ‘How dare they violate my right to blah blah blah political correctness gone mad.’ They decide what they want today and pick plausible justifications.
And in their minds, that’s what everyone else is doing.
Nothing they do makes sense without that context. You’re never really arguing with them because they don’t agree on how arguments work. Their conclusions do not follow a chain of logic from factual claims. You can completely dismantle their arguments, and then… they’ll pick new arguments. They’re just working backwards from the answer they want. And they think you are, too. Everyone’s just shuffling cards. No matter the evidence or the rationale, they’re not about to switch sides, because that’s what they think hypocrisy is.
Reminding them of their own arguments has no impact, because they don’t understand the concept. Neither the concept of saying something without meaning it, nor the concept of logical consistency. They think you’re suddenly choosing that argument - because that’s all they did.
The whole Alt-Right Playbook series is incredible and necessary, but the more relevant video is arguably Always A Bigger Fish. Specifically for one point:
Conservatives are not failed liberals.
They don’t want what liberals want. That’s why they don’t do what liberals do. We keep assuming we must agree on certain topics - often because they say they believe in things we believe in - but if that were true then their actions would make sense. We wouldn’t be constantly baffled by their hypocrisy, asking over and over, ‘how can they say X when they do Y?’
The default approach is to point out these contradictions… as if they haven’t noticed. As if it will force them to reconcile their rhetoric with their behavior (or vice-versa). That never happens. They don’t fucking care. All of their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications.
Everything for conservatives is in service to hierarchy. Words don’t mean anything except to signal loyalty or disloyalty to that hierarchy. They are shibboleths. Ducktalk. They cheer when Their Guy says the sky is blue and boo when Our Guy says the exact same thing. They proclaim themselves “rational” because obviously someone rational would want what they already want, and being smart just means working backwards for clever excuses. This is how reality works, for these people. All of their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications.
And they think we’re the same way.
That’s what really connects us, across the aisle. We think they’re like us, and when they say they support democracy, we think they mean it. It’s why we’d say that. They think we’re like them, and when we say we want fair elections, they think we’re lying. It’s why they’d say that. All of their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications. They say things we like to hear because it works. It has no predictive value.
In a very real sense, those people do not have beliefs.
Yep! Fascists are nihilists. They want only power in it’s most crassly demonstratable form.
Anything they do or say is a ploy for power. Any ally, policy or ideological position is a discardable tool.
Crickets, as expected
So empty is this void where complaints should be… It might just be perfect to practice my new hobby.
Yodelay yodelay
Eehoo ehoo
Yodelay yode- ehoo ay eehoo
Oh yodelay ehhooo yodelah ehhoo*
Ah eehoo
Marvelous. The acoustics of this void are perfect. I’m going to be here a while. You can stay if you want but don’t be critical. I’m still learning and practicing.
No better place to yodel than an empty echo chamber!
My thoughts exactly. The acoustics are amazing and the rent is free.
You’re never a loser if you never admit you’re wrong - no matter how high the evidence piles up just keep faking it 'till you make it, or until it doesn’t matter anymore.
It is deeper than “never a loser”
I’ve always tried to admit I was wrong as soon as I realized it. Admitting your wrong gets you massive amounts of respect in life. Honestly I’d say admitting a mistake gets you more respect than actually being right in the first place.
It might be a little late in the game for trump supporters to get “more respect” than never going with trump at all… I’m just speaking in general. People respond very very well to “I messed up, I know that now”
Edit: in the professional world I’ve many times taken blame for mistakes I didn’t even do. When the boss is waiting for the culprit to stand up and no one is “sorry that was me, I just thought yada yada yada” the boss respects you more and the person you took the bullet for is now your best ally.
Edit 2: on the evil side of that. If you fuck up bad enough you don’t want to get caught you have that gaslight in your pocket “I’ve always come clean when it was me. I’ve always taken my lumps for my mistakes. i would tell you if it were me. You know that”
America’s greatest deed was killing a million Nazis. Killing Nazis is great.
For the government to bring a bunch over in Project Paperclip? I don’t think they were ever against fascism; they didn’t like Hitler’s version because they didn’t benefit.
And even then there was significant support for the nazis among influential whites, before they started threatening the territorial integrity of Western nations. The US’s principled opposition to fascism has always been a retcon.
Though while I don’t like how it completely blinds Americans to the dangers of homegrown fascism, I will say there are much worse stories to base a national mythology on. In that sense it was nice while it lasted. Pretty much the same goes for Russia.
until they voted them into power
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Actually, drag is hoping to get banned by the community mods so that the modlog will say that drag was banned from c/conservative for advocating violence against Nazis. A well maintained modlog is full of ban reasons that good people can easily disagree with.
The CEO killer did the right thing and drag hopes more people follow in his footsteps.
ha, yea… where are all the ‘quit assuming my position’ conservatives that like to bitch about what a liberal space lemmy is without providing a single opinion themselves.
“I’m being cancelled over my beliefs!”
Which ones?
“My conservative beliefs!”
Like lowering taxes?
“No”
Cutting spending?
“No not that”
Which beliefs?
“You know, my beliefs…”
Oh
Are you implying that Lemmy isn’t a very liberal space? I’ve voted for the Democrats in every election of my adult life and I’m still more conservative than almost anyone else here.
nope. im saying the only conservatives that can condone the current coup are fascists, but they wont openly admit it.
Right, they get super butthurt over having their obvious fascism called out.
I don’t think that even people who are fascists by any reasonable definition usually think of themselves as fascists.
Most of them don’t even know what “fascist” means.
Just saying, Liberal isn’t the end of the spectrum.
Voting democrat makes you further left wing than the liberals infesting .ml and hexbear
As long as he is white, conservative, and Christian, they’ll fall in line.
Being/Acting christian is not a requirement, it’ll get you fired I’m sure. But being labeled one is.
Oh, yeah. Anyone who actually took the concept of “morality” seriously wouldn’t stand a chance.
Yeah, there is nothing about Trump that is Christian.
Real Christian isn’t necessary.
Sorry, I meant 😀 Christian™️
“Christian” also works.
Wonder whether this king will eventually target the clergy…
He’s “thier” king, so it’s ok to be hypocrites.
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Conservatism is a mental disorder
We should’ve killed them all
What the fuck
Even as a wildly left progressive, this isn’t cool. Conservatives are necessary as a counterpoint to progressivism in general. Differing views are a good thing as long as they can still work together at the end of the day. Conservatism in general is not a bad thing at all.
Conservatives =/= Trump Fans
That said, when one group starts stripping the rights of others, whitewashing history, and eliminating free speech? Then yeah, resistance becomes necessary to enact change. And I sincerely hope that the people stripping rights remember that resistance is not always peaceful.
Conservatives are necessary as a counterpoint to progressivism in general.
The fuck they are.
Belief that heirarchy is a natural and just way to organize humans is one of the central cores of conservatism.
Why would they be against a monarchy forming?
Exactly this. Find me a monarchist who isn’t socially conservative. Having a person in charge who claims to have all the answers and can fix all your problems (and also may or may not have direct approval from your deity du jour) must be incredibly comforting for a large portion of the population.
If this surprises you, you’re fucking stupid.
Are they? In Europe, monarchist people are part of conservatistes. We have a few royalists in France who want to reinstate whomever is the descendant of the lastest royal family.
It was a prank bro… Unless…? 👉👈
Not if he’s #theirguy
Don’t call them Surely, or they’ll deport you for being a woke DEI agent.
