It’s blahaj zone, at this point it’s old news that they would literally welcome a person in blackface acting a caricature of a slave into a racially diverse community. They believe you hate mockeries of minorities because you hate minorities. I’m 🤏 very close to blocking the whole instance. So counterproductive.
Dragons aren’t even real. An occupation, hobby, or sexual preference isn’t a gender identity. First and second person pronouns aren’t misgendering. So stupid how long that has went on. I’d get banned from the whole instance for this paragraph. Hey guess what, lines need to be drawn, and those who cross it should be removed. Would you want a Minecraft fan calling their Minecraft enjoyment a mental disorder a prominent figure in a community for people with mental disorders? Call out the fakers and ban them ffs. Yes, you can fake being transgender. For starters, you can’t fucking transition into a dragon rider.
Edit: noticed more pictures on this post. Didn’t dragonfucker literally harass draconicneo with porn, nudes, death threats, and suicide encouragement like? Why is draconicneo defending this good for nothing bully who never grew up? The gate should be kept to exclude offensive caricatures and fakers used to make minorities look bad. Hey guess what, they exist.
Ugh what’s next, defending actual cis men playing in women’s sports to win more and going in the women’s restroom to rape people? Right, calling that out would be gatekeeping too huh? Yeah, that’ll definitely have less people side with transphobic politicians. I hope blahaj does not get big like bluesky, they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
Just so we’re clear. I’ve never defended dragonfucker in any way shape or form. Dragonfucker is an evil person who is utterly and completely beyond redemption.
Do not misrepresent my words here. What you and OP and people like you have done is to all attack the idea of neopronouns and xenogenders and defend gatekeeping and blatant transphobia. I do not support gender based gatekeeping in any way, and the dismissal of all neopronouns and xenogenders is offensive and harmful.
Ultimately when it comes to people like dragonfucker it ends up making a bad situation worse. It ends up making people think their only crime is “pRoNOuNs” and it makes it harder to actually speak up about them. When everyone was complaining about dragonfucker’s pronouns I wasn’t able to share what really happened effectively because of idiots drowning me out because they were upset they had to respect pronouns and refused to point out the real reasons dragonfucker is a troll and an evil person.
Why is draconicneo defending this good for nothing bully who never grew up?
What do you think would happen to an actually vulnerable person who really needs and values the queer-accepting space, if they went against the groupthink and started saying they didn’t accept dragonfucker and in fact that person had done some messed up stuff?
(I have no idea if DraconicNEO is that, I’m just saying that anybody at this point who is in that category is now required to accept and be obedient to trolls, or else they will be ostracized too, and they clearly have more to lose from it than PugJesus.)
they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
I have no idea what the goal was from the blahaj admins, but from at least some of the trolls, I think it’s pretty obvious that this is the point.
They should go to an actually queer accepting space. Accepting literal bigoted mockeries is not acceptance. This reminds me of the “radqueer” thing on Tumblr and TikTok where people who copy and fake disorders or LGBT identities are accepted. Even better they would call themselves trans [disorder] like trans-blind for example, because they wish they were blind. Actually blind people would be referred to cis-blind Because transgender people just wish they were the gender they identify as, right? It’s infuriating.
The gates and lines serve a purpose. It is okay to exclude bigots.
They should go to an actually queer accepting space.
Yeah, fair point. Pretty much all of Lemmy is queer-positive.
I sort of suspect that some of the nuttiness on blahaj is because the whole rest of Lemmy (a handful of tankies aside) is queer-positive, so they had to get really outlandish with it in order to be able to stand out in any way as “officially queer friendly,” more so than the other instances. And it also seems like they might have inherited some of Hexbear’s early-Lemmy “I am officially the right grouping, so I get to be an absolute knobhead and it is ok” ethos. But the truth is all of that is is just guessing. I have no idea.
I sort of suspect that some of the nuttiness on blahaj is because the whole rest of Lemmy (a handful of tankies aside) is queer-positive, so they had to get really outlandish with it in order to be able to stand out in any way as “officially queer friendly,” more so than the other instances. And it also seems like they might have inherited some of Hexbear’s early-Lemmy “I am officially the right grouping, so I get to be an absolute knobhead and it is ok” ethos. But the truth is all of that is is just guessing. I have no idea.
I think it’s the Tumblr swarm mentality, personality.
I sort of suspect that leftist communication places which show some kind of potential for people to develop unity, agree on common ground and form connections which might eventually be able to grow into something like /r/50501 or /r/SandersForPresident or something, become absolutely infested with bizarre hot-button arguing about vegan cat food or “transracial” or whether dragon is a gender, to pretty effective detriment of them being able to do that other thing. How much of it is from column “it be like that” and how much from column “it is on purpose to destroy the left,” I have no idea at all.
You’re not wrong. But also, the people who seem to be telling you that even bringing this whole issue up or worrying about it with any level of impassioned-ness might just be adding fuel to the bullshit, may kind of have a point I think. But yes, also, you’re not wrong.
You’re not wrong. But also, the people who seem to be telling you that even bringing this whole issue up or worrying about it with any level of impassioned-ness might just be adding fuel to the bullshit, may kind of have a point I think. But yes, also, you’re not wrong.
Like I said elsewhere in this thread - the only reason it got brought up to begin with was the accusation that everyone who left Blahaj on 196 did so because they were transphobes, and I wasn’t going to just smile and take that.
Yeah. I thought about wading into a big spiteful discussion about the precise meaning of the words “transphobia” and “misgendering” and the specific way they are being defined and used in this thread, and then I thought, “You know what? Not my circus, not my monkeys. It is of no concern.”
Guys: Are you (all of you) still going to be doing big performative stinks about this on whichever side, when the rate of people going into the camps goes into the thousands, or hundreds of thousands, instead of just big handfuls like they have now? That thing the German tourist said about people screaming the whole time she was there sort of got brushed aside in passing, when I felt like it should have gotten a lot more scrutiny.
Not what’s happening at all. The admin just doesn’t want users to be the ones dealing with trolls by dogpiling them because it attracts more and amplified bigotry to an already vulnerable space. Users are asked to block and report troll users instead of misgendering and it works wonderfully.
Your comparison of LBZ to Nazi Germany is disgusting victim blaming and betrays a stunning lack of empathy.
The gate should be kept to exclude offensive caricatures and fakers used to make minorities look bad. Hey guess what, they exist.
They wanted freedom for marginalized folk to explore their gender identities - this is valid. Unfortunately, in search of that, they decided that that meant that no discussion or dissent could be made as to where the lines are on what gender is, or even whether there should be lines. This is gibberish.
I hope blahaj does not get big like bluesky, they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
Nah. Of all the factors sending LGBT rights backwards, backlash against weird groups who don’t know when to stop isn’t one of them. Would be like blaming racist backlash in the late 70s and 80s on Black Supremacists emerging during and after the Civil Rights movement. Or sexist backlash in the same period being in response to Lesbian Separatists and the like. Such people exist, and they’re silly, but they’re not influential on a scale larger than… well…
It’s blahaj zone, at this point it’s old news that they would literally welcome a person in blackface acting a caricature of a slave into a racially diverse community. They believe you hate mockeries of minorities because you hate minorities. I’m 🤏 very close to blocking the whole instance. So counterproductive.
Dragons aren’t even real. An occupation, hobby, or sexual preference isn’t a gender identity. First and second person pronouns aren’t misgendering. So stupid how long that has went on. I’d get banned from the whole instance for this paragraph. Hey guess what, lines need to be drawn, and those who cross it should be removed. Would you want a Minecraft fan calling their Minecraft enjoyment a mental disorder a prominent figure in a community for people with mental disorders? Call out the fakers and ban them ffs. Yes, you can fake being transgender. For starters, you can’t fucking transition into a dragon rider.
Edit: noticed more pictures on this post. Didn’t dragonfucker literally harass draconicneo with porn, nudes, death threats, and suicide encouragement like? Why is draconicneo defending this good for nothing bully who never grew up? The gate should be kept to exclude offensive caricatures and fakers used to make minorities look bad. Hey guess what, they exist.
Ugh what’s next, defending actual cis men playing in women’s sports to win more and going in the women’s restroom to rape people? Right, calling that out would be gatekeeping too huh? Yeah, that’ll definitely have less people side with transphobic politicians. I hope blahaj does not get big like bluesky, they are literally setting LGBT rights wayyyy back to nazi germany at this point.
Just so we’re clear. I’ve never defended dragonfucker in any way shape or form. Dragonfucker is an evil person who is utterly and completely beyond redemption.
Do not misrepresent my words here. What you and OP and people like you have done is to all attack the idea of neopronouns and xenogenders and defend gatekeeping and blatant transphobia. I do not support gender based gatekeeping in any way, and the dismissal of all neopronouns and xenogenders is offensive and harmful.
Ultimately when it comes to people like dragonfucker it ends up making a bad situation worse. It ends up making people think their only crime is “pRoNOuNs” and it makes it harder to actually speak up about them. When everyone was complaining about dragonfucker’s pronouns I wasn’t able to share what really happened effectively because of idiots drowning me out because they were upset they had to respect pronouns and refused to point out the real reasons dragonfucker is a troll and an evil person.
What do you think would happen to an actually vulnerable person who really needs and values the queer-accepting space, if they went against the groupthink and started saying they didn’t accept dragonfucker and in fact that person had done some messed up stuff?
(I have no idea if DraconicNEO is that, I’m just saying that anybody at this point who is in that category is now required to accept and be obedient to trolls, or else they will be ostracized too, and they clearly have more to lose from it than PugJesus.)
I have no idea what the goal was from the blahaj admins, but from at least some of the trolls, I think it’s pretty obvious that this is the point.
They should go to an actually queer accepting space. Accepting literal bigoted mockeries is not acceptance. This reminds me of the “radqueer” thing on Tumblr and TikTok where people who copy and fake disorders or LGBT identities are accepted. Even better they would call themselves trans [disorder] like trans-blind for example, because they wish they were blind. Actually blind people would be referred to cis-blind Because transgender people just wish they were the gender they identify as, right? It’s infuriating.
The gates and lines serve a purpose. It is okay to exclude bigots.
Yeah, fair point. Pretty much all of Lemmy is queer-positive.
I sort of suspect that some of the nuttiness on blahaj is because the whole rest of Lemmy (a handful of tankies aside) is queer-positive, so they had to get really outlandish with it in order to be able to stand out in any way as “officially queer friendly,” more so than the other instances. And it also seems like they might have inherited some of Hexbear’s early-Lemmy “I am officially the right grouping, so I get to be an absolute knobhead and it is ok” ethos. But the truth is all of that is is just guessing. I have no idea.
I think it’s the Tumblr swarm mentality, personality.
I sort of suspect that leftist communication places which show some kind of potential for people to develop unity, agree on common ground and form connections which might eventually be able to grow into something like /r/50501 or /r/SandersForPresident or something, become absolutely infested with bizarre hot-button arguing about vegan cat food or “transracial” or whether dragon is a gender, to pretty effective detriment of them being able to do that other thing. How much of it is from column “it be like that” and how much from column “it is on purpose to destroy the left,” I have no idea at all.
You’re not wrong. But also, the people who seem to be telling you that even bringing this whole issue up or worrying about it with any level of impassioned-ness might just be adding fuel to the bullshit, may kind of have a point I think. But yes, also, you’re not wrong.
Like I said elsewhere in this thread - the only reason it got brought up to begin with was the accusation that everyone who left Blahaj on 196 did so because they were transphobes, and I wasn’t going to just smile and take that.
Yeah. I thought about wading into a big spiteful discussion about the precise meaning of the words “transphobia” and “misgendering” and the specific way they are being defined and used in this thread, and then I thought, “You know what? Not my circus, not my monkeys. It is of no concern.”
Guys: Are you (all of you) still going to be doing big performative stinks about this on whichever side, when the rate of people going into the camps goes into the thousands, or hundreds of thousands, instead of just big handfuls like they have now? That thing the German tourist said about people screaming the whole time she was there sort of got brushed aside in passing, when I felt like it should have gotten a lot more scrutiny.
What’s that?
Not what’s happening at all. The admin just doesn’t want users to be the ones dealing with trolls by dogpiling them because it attracts more and amplified bigotry to an already vulnerable space. Users are asked to block and report troll users instead of misgendering and it works wonderfully.
Your comparison of LBZ to Nazi Germany is disgusting victim blaming and betrays a stunning lack of empathy.
They wanted freedom for marginalized folk to explore their gender identities - this is valid. Unfortunately, in search of that, they decided that that meant that no discussion or dissent could be made as to where the lines are on what gender is, or even whether there should be lines. This is gibberish.
Nah. Of all the factors sending LGBT rights backwards, backlash against weird groups who don’t know when to stop isn’t one of them. Would be like blaming racist backlash in the late 70s and 80s on Black Supremacists emerging during and after the Civil Rights movement. Or sexist backlash in the same period being in response to Lesbian Separatists and the like. Such people exist, and they’re silly, but they’re not influential on a scale larger than… well…
This. Here. Small communities.