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Christ, I’m gonna stop reading now. I will say, the liberal use of the term fascist and the readiness with which my fellow left leaning folks label anyone who doesn’t agree with them a fascist is, to be entirely honest, outright dangerous.
People pass the term out like the right uses “woke”, only difference is fascist is actually a really fucking important term for discussing the dysfunction of the world we live in right now.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a fascist. You’re entitled to thinking whoever you want is wrong, you don’t have to compare them to people who systematically murdered every minority they could find until the death toll was in the millions to substantiate your dislike.
You’re allowed to just say “that line of argument is gross” or “dangerous” or “wrong” without hyperbole that waters down one of the most important political terms of our lifetimes
I’m so tired man.
I’m so tired man.
Same.
lol it’s the funniest thing ever watching you get stun-locked over this
you’ve forced more trans people off .world by screeching tankie at anyone you disagree with
you are malding over tHoUgHtCriMes and pReEmPtiVe BaNs but are on an instance that is notorious for doing that exact same thing
please keep making more posts about this its entertaining as fuck
you’ve forced more trans people off .world by screeching tankie at anyone you disagree with
Unless those trans people were defending genocide or other atrocities, I don’t see why that would be the case.
you are malding over tHoUgHtCriMes and pReEmPtiVe BaNs but are on an instance that is notorious for doing that exact same thing
Lord.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I am so sick of hearing about Drag.
That troll must be laughing so hard
Not even about Drag at this point. User was banned for saying human beings couldn’t be possums.
Of all the things Lemmy could get from Tumblr, it had to be MOGAI discourse. Something, something, time is a flat circle.
MOGAI discourse
TIL. Any resources on that?
I don’t have any, and it’ll be probably be hard to find any which isn’t some fascist transphobe trying to use it to fuel LGBTQ hate. The main controversty was over whether having a mental illness ‘counts’ as having a queer identity. This Fandom page is the best I could find from a quick search.
Okay, thanks!
I thought it died even on Tumblr back in the early 2010s. I was there, Gandalf!
On a more serious note, why can’t you just let them be? This almost reaches the level of @cm0002@lemmy.world posts against Lemmy.ml
LMAO don’t drag me into this, I do what I do because I consider .ml and the rest of the Tankie Triad to be a threat to the long term growth and survivability of the Lemmy-verse at large
Blahaj doesn’t promote dangerous political rhetoric, hold authoritarian regimes to a gold standard or enforce a specific narrative through moderation.
This was, at worst, a bad moderation decision that @PugJesus@lemmy.world has every right to vent about
This was, at worst, a bad moderation decision that @PugJesus@lemmy.world has every right to vent about
No, apparently, I have no right to vent about it, and no one should talk about it, and maybe if I wasn’t performing thoughtcrime on another instance entirely by defending myself against accusations of transphobia, Blahaj wouldn’t have been forced to call a trans user a transphobe and a fascist and dogpile them until they left the Fediverse.
Truly, my sins are monumental.
Blahaj wouldn’t have been forced to call a trans user a transphobe and a fascist and dogpile them until they left the Fediverse.
You’re making all that fuss over a 22 days old account?
Is that a new way to create drama, concern trolling using a few weeks old alts that post to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com in their first week when usually new joiners take weeks to discover that community?
You’re making all that fuss over a 22 days old account?
Oh, of course, it’s okay to bully a trans person into leaving the Fediverse by calling them transphobic and fascist if it’s a new account.
Fucking insane.
Is that a new way to create drama, concern trolling using a few weeks old alts that post to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com in their first week when usually new joiners take weeks to discover that community?
Christ, what a piss-weak deflection.
Christ, what a piss-weak deflection.
Their first two comments on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Why do you post everwhere 196 comes up trying to funnel people to your instance?
You even post on the 196 wolrd community trying to get people to leave.
Do you hate that community?
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Blaze why do you hate that community so much? You commit so much time to tearing them down.
People will judge if that looks like a genuine new joiner getting bullied, or an alt trying to reframe the whole !196 drama in another light
For the !196 issue context: https://lemmy.ca/post/37558800
People will judge if that looks like a genuine new joiner getting bullied, or an alt
So it’s okay to bully a trans person if they’re new to the Fediverse, and it’s also okay to bully them if they’re an established user - so long, of course, as they disagree with Blahaj.
Wonderful.
Situations are different indeed.
I made the comparison because the recommendations of people in both case are similar: ignore those instances you have issues with and move on.
ignore those instances you have issues with and move on.
Maybe for Blahaj and other instances, but it shouldn’t be for Tankie Instances.
There absolutely should be a loud and visible opposition to them to externally demonstrate that Lemmy != “The Tankie Place” or Voat 2.0
I’ve been building
Hoping that people would leave .ml for those communities after the whole post 9 months ago. https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
I still hope people will, but inertia is still something, even on Lemmy. Most of the people don’t care. !privacy@lemmy.ml and !linux@lemmy.ml are still the main communities on those topics. It’s okay. Maybe things will change over time. There’s no rush.
In the meantime, it’s better to build something rather then spend time spouting on them.
It should be a multi-pronged approach, build alternate comms off the Tankie Triad while also showing opposition for new users to hopefully see that no, this is not a safe haven for tankies
But here’s the thing: constantly posting memes about “the tankie triad” paints you in a bad light, the light of the harasser.
People don’t care about that. To get them to switch to another community, you have to offer a better community. No amount of meme is going to help with that.
Lol I haven’t posted a meme about it for a few weeks now, I’ve been focusing on documentation lately
Either way though, it requires a multi-pronged approach. Memes alone will not sway, but better comms, public documentation of their behavior AND memes can be incredibly effective
Why am I being treated as the one who started this, again? “Roll over and don’t speak up when you’re called a transphobe on dbzer0, or you might hurt the feelings of the Blahaj admins”
It’s insane how many people bend over backwards for this shit.
This almost reaches the level of @cm0002@lemmy.world posts against Lemmy.ml
Perhaps you’d like to tell me how many times I’ve posted about Blahaj, and in what contexts, in the past few months. I’m sure there’s a torrent of unprovoked material for you to call on, and you definitely aren’t just throwing shit out there because you feel the need to defend Blahaj with the rest of the clique.
Why am I being treated as the one who started this, again?
You posted this meme?
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You posted this meme?
Which isn’t where this started, and you know that, considering you were a participant on two (or all three?) of the threads involved.
why can’t you just let them be?
“Roll over and don’t speak up when you’re called a transphobe on dbzer0, or you might hurt the feelings of the Blahaj admins”
Insane that any activity the Blahaj admins don’t like is a direct attack on them, according to you.
Why do you want bad behavior by Blahaj swept under the rug so badly?
If this was a Tankie place banning liberals, PJ would be so upset about it. If it was a liberal place banning Tankies, they’d be very happy and say they had it coming.
Geeenerally when someone goes out of their way to make an entire damned post complaining about getting their arse handed to them on another instance, it’s deserved.
Batshit tankie pools are the exception o’course
Geeenerally when someone goes out of their way to make an entire damned post complaining about getting their arse handed to them on another instance, it’s deserved.
I was in dbzer0 when I made the initial comments, in response to being called a transphobe (I contended that I was not a transphobe). I was banned by Ada, the Blahaj admin, for that. I then made a post on YePowerTrippingBastards, being somewhat miffed that I was banned from another instance entirely, one which I don’t even use, for the crime of defending myself against accusations of transphobia.
The trans commenter who is leaving the Fediverse was banned, and again, this is for activity in dbzer0, by commenting on that post. They then made a post questioning the logic of that, and were subsequently accused of being a transphobe and a fascist for daring to object by Blahaj’s ‘brave’ defenders.
So don’t use blahaj.
You seem more upset at being denied an audience. I got banned from the entirety of .ml for a winnie the pooh comment, and the worst it’s done is given me a hilarious anecdote
So don’t use blahaj.
I already don’t.
You seem more upset at being denied an audience.
An audience from an instance I don’t post to?
I got banned from the entirety of .ml for a winnie the pooh comment, and the worst it’s done is given me a hilarious anecdote
I find this more of an ‘irritating anecdote’ in terms of personal feelings, combined the more general, less personal horror of ‘Jesus Christ did they really just do that to a trans user for disagreeing that people can’t be possums?’
I already don’t
Then why are you pissing yourself about this everywhere?
You’ve made at least a dozen posts about this. Clearly they upset you by denying you your God given right to shove an opinion they vehemently disagree with in their face. Most people don’t react the way you have when they’re told they’re not welcome somewhere. They just move on.
I’m not upset! I’m not owned! I just make posts about it for days and talk about how much I am bothered them!! You’re the real ones who getting upset!
- PugJesus for the last few weeks now
You’ve made at least a dozen posts about this.
Sure, lmao.
I made one post back when the controversy went down and I left Blahaj.
I made one post when I was banned by Ada for comments I made on dbzer0 defending myself against accusations of transphobia, because I found that absurd.
I made this third post because I came home today to find out that Blahaj had bullied a trans user into leaving the Fediverse for thoughtcrime, accusing them of being a transphobe and a fascist.
But anything to lick boots, huh?
Cross posting to other comms counts as additional posts. As far as whatever situation you’re on about, quite literally who cares. Not all trans people are good people and there are objectively fascist trans people, a quick visible example is Caitlyn Jenner. Trans people are not special. They don’t get special rights. If they want to spout bullshit that’s against the rules or morality of a comm they get banned like anyone else. Treating them differently because they’re trans would be transphobic.
I really don’t get how you people in general consistently fail to understand that.
As far as whatever situation you’re on about, quite literally who cares.
Yep, that’s about the response I expected for a trans user being bullied off a platform. I love that you, by your own admission, don’t know the details, and yet you still jump to ‘quite literally who cares’.
Not you, apparently. You don’t care if they were a fascist or a transphobe. You know a trans person was bullied off the platform - and you decided, on that basis alone - ‘who cares?’
You’re being the weird person that stalks their ex.
You left blahaj. Most people don’t fucking care what a comm does when they’ve left it, it’s no longer something they give a shit about. You keep watching it and making posts.
EDIT: realised potential for inadvertently misgendering, neutralised pronouns
Most people don’t fucking care what a comm does when they’ve left it, it’s no longer something they give a shit about. You keep watching it and making posts.
Are you not reading anything that I’m writing?
None of these events happened on Blahaj.
They came to other instances to do this shit.
Goodness gracious, we are having quite the day with this.
Sorry, I know harassing trans people for wrongthink is a secret form of respect for trans folk to you.
Sorry, I must have mistook the multiple posts about this as an invitation for engagement
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PugJesus for the last few weeks now
What the fuck are you talking about
Sorry, I must have mistook the multiple posts about this as an invitation for engagement
Sorry, is it only engagement if my response is giving you asspats for harassing people?
Idk but your little asspats are quite enjoyable if i’m being honest
That would be a strange thing for you to say, considering asspats mean praise, and the only thing I’ve done is call you out for being a hypocrite. I guess hypocrisy is a virtue, in your worldview.
It’s too bad Beehaw is trying to move elsewhere.
Beehaw, the instance where people posted “A request to change the docs etc for those of us who aren’t human”?
lmao
It’s even funnier because they seriously discuss it in the comments.
If you get banned from both Beehaw and Blahaj for that comment, please don’t make a meme about it
No worries. I’ll be fine as long as some non human beings don’t report me.
This literally didn’t occur in Blahaj. Blahaj sought it out.
