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Summary
A Tesla Cybertruck crashed in Piedmont last November, killing three college students after hitting a cement wall and bursting into flames.
The California Highway Patrol (CHP) attributed the crash to intoxication and high speed but found that the victims likely died from the fire.
Testimony revealed the vehicle’s doors would not open after the crash, preventing rescue attempts. A survivor was pulled out after a bystander broke a window with a tree branch.
The CHP’s investigation into the crash remains ongoing.
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But when he attempted to pull Tsukahara from that same window, Riordan testified, “I grabbed her arm to try and pull her towards me, but she retreated because of the fire.”
Remember that the right wing media rushed to blame this on speeding and drugs without mentioning that they were still alive when the vehicle was on fire. They were cooked alive inside, foreseeably and preventably. If the back doors opened they’d be safe, sober or otherwise.
Well, say what you want, but tesla is the only one doing something to reduce the republican voters base.
“after a bystander broke a window with a tree branch” Ah yes, the bulletproof windows that could double as submergible windows for an unspecified amount of time at an unspecified depth.
Who did Musk bribe to allow this ugly fucking deathtrap on the road?
He moved operations to Texas where regulations can get fucked and he bought the United States government and fired anyone looking into his shit. Sign up now for Neuralink! You will never get out.
So, Abbott.
Wasn’t Abbott the straight man? I’d expect the funny man, Costello, to be the source of this level of chaos.
He bought the Presidency. Not eve a bribe at this point.
But the boycott is still “illegal”, you guys.
Remember when Failin’ Palin was bleating about “death panels”?
Remember when Failin’ Palin was bleating about “death panels”?
Death panel?
Oh, you mean insurance company
(L)
Not suggesting anything of course, but Trump just bought himself a Tesla and if he really really wanted to help Musk improve Tesla’s image…
A nice long winding drive down the PCH seems just the ticket…
Reminder that a seatbelt cutter and glass breaker is a good investment, especially in cars like this.
Maybe a good thing that the glass isn’t actually bullet proof
Yes, I have one of those 2-in-1 belt cutter and window hammers.
Imagine buying your own coffin from a Nazi.
crematorium in this case
it’s a fun little inversion of the first gas chambers, where the nazis kill themselves with cars that pointedly don’t make CO2
edit: who ever said that hope is dead?
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The Highway Patrol’s investigation into a November Cybertruck crash
Were they supposed to know that with their time machine or divine it through the occult?
Elon has been a public Nazi for a few years now.
MAGA idiot: sure.
Nazi years ago: name high profile headlines years ago that would have made that apparent to the casual public, and not only to obsessive social media dwellers heaping constant attention on his every move. Until the double Nazi salute, I doubt most people had any idea.
This video from 11 months ago goes over what he’s done over the years: https://youtu.be/xDyPSKLy5E4
Not exactly a prominent headline & I don’t see a transcript. The 16-page sources documents links to online references including of a large number of tweets, several articles not regarding Musk, and some news articles on Musk. This is quite a bit to wade through. It’d be better to name clear, prominent headlines as I suggested before. Nonetheless, I’ll glance through.
The articles I’ve glanced through cover his descent into right-wing extremism on X, suspensions of journalists’ accounts, overtures to Putin & Trump. They cover criticism by advertisers & special interests of Musk’s tolerance for the spread of hate speech on X. There was that episode when Musk agreed with a post making a veiled reference to the antisemitic Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which led to denunciations by the ADL, advertisers pulling out, and Musk responding by posting objections to antisemitism & to organizations that push “racism of any kind” and by paying visits to Israel & Auschwitz.
Most of these could be construed as forgettable online MAGA mayhem. While that last episode drew headlines, rather than pin Musk down as a Nazi, a casual observer could easily discount it as online outrage over a MAGA idiot who falls for conspiracy bullshit & rolls that back. They could do that right before they easily forget it.
I don’t deny the conduct is troubling. However, these online distractions don’t exactly make memorable, prominent headlines that conclusively pin Musk down as a Nazi to the casual public. They don’t capture the public’s attention as clearly as Musk’s double Nazi salute.
If you could point out a such a headline that the people in the collision would have known before they purchased the vehicle, then I’d concede your point, but at the moment I don’t see it.
Here’s one from 2023. I think this is the one you were talking about.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html
I feel like when I said, “Elon has been a public Nazi for a few years now,” what you heard was, “the general public has known Elon is a Nazi for a few years now.”
Yes, maga idiots have excused his behavior for years, but that doesn’t mean people haven’t been calling him out as a Nazi for those same years because of his obviously Nazi like behavior. The Hitler salute was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, where the general public started to recognize that he is a Nazi. The swastikar didn’t go on sale until after much of this behavior had already been very public, so if you have a Model 3, you may have an excuse, but if you have a Cyberdump, you have no excuse.
Also, it’s just a fucking awful truck. If you’re going to buy a truck, buy a truck, not a vaguely truck shaped vehicle that can’t do what trucks do.
Who gets a self-driving car only to drive it drunk?
What other selling points are there?
I think the point is if you’re dumb enough to drive drunk, you’re dumb enough to use the “self” driving system while drunk and at least have a lesser chance of a fatal accident than driving drunk.
The (not) fsd system might still kill ya, but it does get a lot right as well.
“Heyyyyyy at least it’s better to driving drunk”
You don’t sound drunk enough yet to make the stupid decision.
A whole new meaning to “CyberStuck”
…they broke the window with a tree branch?
Yeah, it’s just laminated glass, with borosilicate external layer
thats what PYREX(the capital P and p) glass is made off,
But there’s emergency latches!
They’re just hidden somewhere in the doors and you need the owner’s manual to figure out where they are…
And are fucking worthless if you’re unconscious. Bystanders can only watch you burn to death.
…And the owners manual is probably digital and accessed via the infotainment system. (Shout-out to the fuckers at Ford who did this.)
That should be illegal, Jesus.
Oh for sure!
And the car is on fire so the infotainment system doesn’t work anymore!
Womp womp
There are cameras inside the car, it self drives… imagine if it used AI to decide if the driver was Jewish. Or queer. Or just a particular individual who might be thrown out a window were they in Russia. And it steered itself into a wall and burst into flames, destroying any internal telemetry that might tell the story.
The technology is there. The regulatory agencies that might investigate are gutted. There is nothing but the integrity of a few programmers standing in the way. Programmers whose livelihoods and perhaps admission to the US are at stake.
That feels awfully thin.
There’s a fucking conspiracy theory for the nutters.
imagine if it used AI to decide if the driver was Jewish. Or queer. Or just a particular individual who might be thrown out a window were they in Russia. And it steered itself into a wall and burst into flames, destroying any internal telemetry that might tell the story.
That’s basically how the plot of Upload kicks off, and when I realized “holy crap, that’s totally possible”.
You’re the only other person I have ever heard mention that they had watched that show. I liked it. I thought it was decent, but nobody else seemed to.
Oh, I think it’s great. Can’t wait till season 4 drops. Definitely an underrated show especially if you like near future, corporate dystopia black comedies. There’s also the meta humor that it runs on Amazon Prime Video.
Oh, I thought it was canceled. The last season I saw was season two. I should check out season three!
AFAIK, it’s not canceled. It just goes forever between 10-episode seasons that always end on a cliffhanger.
Edit: Ah, the upcoming fourth season is the final one.
Four seasons is a pretty good run for this type of show, IMO; at least if it’s as well planned and thought out as The Good Place (not to dissimilar concept) was!
I think I’m also only around ~2 seasons in, as I cancelled Prime a while back… might have to fly the black flag and catch up on S03!
I enjoyed it as well! You are not alone, fellow Upload.
Another good one with a related theme of technology morality is Made For Love, I think it’s from Max
Yes, now Made for Love was great. Way better than Upload imo.
Damn, I really forgot that show existed until just now…
It was fine…
How have I never heard of this show?
I don’t even recall how I heard of it, lol, but it’s really good. Definitely one of those hidden gems in the sea of crap-quality streaming shows.
If you can get over the weird color saturation thing, it wasnt good enough for me to have that bizarre super bright reds and pinks
Very underrated film. I saw it in theaters and thought everyone was gonna go crazy for it then barely heard anyone talk about it.
It’s a show.
Oh, my bad. I was thinking of Upgrade.
Because it’s an Amazon Prime show?
Sorry, I was thinking of Upgrade lol. After all, we are talking about AI powered vehicles.
I don’t think that a lot of the people who would be likely targets for such an attack are the same people who would be buying Teslas in the first place.
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The customer demographic has drastically changed
They might well already have Teslas. They are far more likely to drive them (I think) than the good old boys out in the country.
Ok this has happened like 5 times now, how tf are these allowed
Well, the government organization that allowed consumers to complain, get the money back along with a settlement, and have the product recalled, was recently “fed into a wood chipper” by the guy who makes the cybertrucks.
- Elon musk is very rich.
- Elon musk is doing favours for the cult leader who is also president
Are they saying the doors were not damaged and still didn’t open? I could see the doors being damaged and resulting in them not opening. I’m sure that’s common.
The doors use a push button mechanism to open. There’s no handle, no place to grip, nothing. You tap a button, that opens the door. Meaning if the internal electronics have been messed up, congratulations, that door isn’t opening.
You can open the door by basically disassembling it and pulling on a cord, but nobody knows how to do that
Yeah, that sounds really easy to do while burning to death.
If only there was an easily accessible handle of some kind that could be used to open the door…
Someone outside of the vehicle cannot access this cord. Unconscious or disoriented passengers are fucked.
Why are these cars even allowed to be purchased? Does America not have road safety standards? Can anyone just make a car and as long as it has headlights and seatbelts sell it to people?
Regulatory capture. For the most part, Automakers can determine if their vehicle is safe, as long as they have certain hardware requirements (Like airbags, backup cameras, and a roof that can support the weight of the vehicle.) Heck, I remember some Tesla engineer saying that the mirrors are only on the truck because they couldn’t get the legislation mandating them removed in time to replace them with cameras.
The US is a complete joke unless you’re loaded.
Our safety agency actually rejected the headlights that turn off around other cars, in favor of LED lights that blind the fuck out of everyone no matter what setting you use.
That tells you everything you need to know about American “safety”.
Our safety standards are kinda bad, along with headlight regulations and stuff.
When it comes to people inside the car, they’re incredibly good. There are lots of cars you can buy in Europe and Japan that wouldn’t even try meeting US safety standards.
That is, until some jackass decided on putting too many gizmos in a car without thinking about how you open the door while the battery is on fire. And is currently dismantling the parts of government that tell you not to do that.
Those standards also don’t do much for people outside the car. Beyond Tesla, that’s been the real tragedy of US safety standards over the past few years.
Even inside the car isn’t great, just look at allowing electronic door latches, and giant touchscreens that distract you while driving.
It got 5 NHTSA stars for driver safety, 4 for passenger, anyone caught outside of it are acceptable casualties. And as far as I know the manufacturer can self-certify.
I thought it obvious that law means nothing in the USA unless you’re poor now.
While you are burning remember alive, please take the time to appreciate the fact that the Cybertruck has a 5-star NHTSA crash rating.
Were still kinda being held together by pre-1970s protections, but those are slowly going away, too
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