My impression is that contrary to the headline, this isn’t a young vs old thing, but a follows-the-news vs doesn’t-follow-news thing
I think this a liberal vs left thing. Most liberals aren’t mad at Schumer. It is the leftists like AOC and Bernie that are passionately fighting against fascism and oligarchy
traitor, nazi collaborator piece of shit.
Bear in mind that a “young democrat” is anyone under 65
I’m in my 40s. When people call me young I know they’re not just old, they feel lost in the modern world.
Also yes, I am fuming. (And no, while I’ll still vote for a Democrat to get rid of the fascists if ever given another opportunity, I would never again call myself a Democrat.)
I was seeing posts weeks ago about “how do you expect the Democrats to do anything if you don’t vote them into power” , and I see this and get mad thinking, this is why people aren’t voting for you, this is why so many voters are mad at you, you have the power to do something, anything and your reply is “I’m sorry I called the GOP bastards” when the GOP has no problem calling you literal baby eaters.
Every major gov shutdown I remember was the Republicans being bastards to force something they wanted or to make Democrats look bad. 20 years. The entire time I’ve paid attention. It’s always been Republicans. This is a legitimate reason for once for democrats to do it. To fight this dismantling of government. They won’t. They’re useless. They want this. May anyone who tell me to vote have their nose broken. I’ve voted in every election since I turned 18. Even locals. There isn’t a systemic fix to this. No one is going to save you. Stop looking to your government leaders and start forming extra governmental solutions.
Shockingly enough, there’s things called “primaries” where you can show the fuck up and get these fossils out for people who actually act in the best interest of their citizenry.
The catch being the “showing the fuck up” part.
This assumes the party allows a primary challenger to any arbitrary seat. Usually they don’t for safe seats. Or at risk seats. Or any seats where the currently elected member is making them money.
Yes, we can dither and make excuses all we like, but if we never try, nothing happens anyways.
Might as well try, yeah? Unless of course we just want to complain about how the system is unfair and not actually do anything to change it.
And you think doing the exact same thing over and over is “trying”?
We’ve been doing things to try to change the system, but mainstream Dems, white liberals, tend to call us radical criminals, terrorists, and damaging to progress. When we try we get shot in the back. When we try we get anonymously reported by someone ‘that agrees with our ideals but not our actions’.
So hopefully now that you people will be suffering too, you might not stab us in the back this time when things get a little uncomfy for white liberals.
I think coming at it from the angle of “doing the same thing over and over” is incredibly disingenuous.
Voter participation is abysmally low. Local elections in my area have a turnout of 10%. And that’s a high. If people actually showed up, that’d be something different.
Instead of pushing “do nothing and hope things change”, which is what we’ve been doing for decades, maybe we should have change and show the fuck up.
Voter participation is low because every time people do turn out, they’re reminded there are no politicians that will work for the workers.
People haven’t turned out. Voter participation is abyssmal. Just because you personally have not seen universal and positive change from your own vote immediately does not mean it can never ever work.
Voter participation is low because dipshits like you keep saying “See? Your life hasn’t irrevocably changed because of this one election! There’s no point in doing the absolute bare minimum! Better to sit at home and complain about how everything is broken and hope that someone else does something radical and meaningful about it!”
Maybe stop treating everything like a winner-take-all competition and realize that we won’t see effective long term change except through repeated concerted effort where you keep showing up. Even if you see setbacks. We might actually achieve something.
But I guess if you’d rather give up because you haven’t gotten what you want immediately, that’s entirely up to you.
I would hope this pisses off enough people to actually go vote in primaries.
It certainly should.
Difficult in a state where you have to declare a party (and “none” doesn’t count; they only recognize R or D)
Sounds like it’s as easy as declaring a party. Are there some strange initiation rituals you need to go through to declare? Sacrifice a goat or something?
What if I don’t want to declare a party and remain independent?
Then you can watch as things don’t change because of your stubborn pride.
You can declare a party to vote in an election and remain philosophically independent, that’s always been allowed.
This right here is why people don’t vote in the primaries and instead of saying, “huh, you’re right, you shouldn’t have to register with a party” you’re doubling down on your horrid stance.
You’re right! The system sucks!
The problem is, if you don’t do anything but complain about it, at best it stays the same. More likely it gets worse.
But sure, fine, you’re mildly inconvenienced. That’s totally an intelligent and rational reason to sit on your ass and complain rather than doing something about it.
Well I suppose you could always whine about it online instead?
It costs you nothing to register as a Dem so you can vote against these fuckers in the primaries, except maybe some worthless sense of idealogical purity.
I have 0 desire to be mercilessly spammed by the Dems or Repubs because I registered with their party.
Plus no one but me should know / needs to know my party affiliation. In today’s day and age of wanting more privacy, this is part of it. I don’t want to be on the wrong side of history because I was registered with a party.
Apparantly you also have 0 desire to see effective change unless it’s exactly as you want it, because you refuse to participate on principal.
A generational divide, seen in newer lawmakers’ impatience with bipartisanship and for colleagues who don’t understand new media
The man is 74 years old. They’re talking about “newer lawmakers”.
I think “young” here refers to people who can’t remember the moon landing.
Old democrats too.
Part of me is hoping that Schumer is the designated fall guy for this bit of political theater. Another part is wondering who that theater would benefit.
Sometimes I wish I never learned critical thinking.
I mean, I’m mid-50s and I’m raging…
It actually is a young and old thing, the older senators are capitulating and the younger ones want to fight.
Why make it easier for the GOP to dismantle the government by shutting it down?
Because what’s in the bill for keeping the government open gives the GOP even more powers to fuck shit up.
It’s not a Yes No vote for just staying open. It’s crammed with a load of bullshit.
What’s it crammed with?
Qoute by AOC in a recent interview:
This continuing resolution codifies much of this chaos that Elon Musk is wreaking havoc on the federal government. It codifies many of those changes. It sacrifices and completely eliminates congressional authority in order to review these impulsive Trump tariffs that he’s switching on and off.
And on top of that, for folks who are concerned about effectiveness in government, this Republican extreme spending bill removes all of the guardrails and all of the accountability measures to ensure that money is being spent in the way that Congress has directed for it to be spent.
This turns the federal government into a slush fund for Donald Trump and Elon Musk. It sacrifices congressional authority and it is deeply partisan.
Edit: No one should be downvoting Usernamehere for not knowing whats in the bill.
That seems to only be AOCs opinion of the contents of the CR. Not what’s in it.
Are you a lawyer and or elected official? Have you read the bill? What is your opinion on the contents of the CR?
Im not a lawyer or elected official. No one on Lemmy is. Including you. So I refer to the official I did elect to represent me. It’s their job to read the bills and act on them in my interest. AOC is doing exactly that.
You’re free to read the bill at any time. It’s available online. I’m not your staff secretary. If you want the nitty gritties you need to do it yourself.
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Are you asking permission to vote a certain way? I don’t understand.
if it were in their interest, they’d just do it themselves lol
