• Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.ml
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    Which makes it secessionism of a region everyone has agreed is China by the rogue governing body of that region. That body being disconnected is exactly what makes it “rogue”. It is a governing body. It is disconnected. It is a rogue governing body of a region of China, one they should have dealt with a very long time ago but decided upon different priorities.

    You can dislike this reality all you want but it doesn’t make it any less factual. That is the situation.

    and the Taiwanese people increasingly do not identify as Chinese.

    You agree yourself that the majority identify as Chinese then.

    How very democratic of you to want to split a part of a country away when the majority identify as being part of that country. Truly a lover of democracy.

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      2 years ago

      You agree yourself that the majority identify as Chinese then.

      No. This running survey shows differently. The majority identifies as Taiwanese only (67%) with most of the rest having some dual identity as Taiwanese and Chinese. A vanishingly small number identify as Chinese alone.

      Taiwan and its government is not rogue. This is an independent people with an independent government. No matter how China tries to frame it, invading Taiwan means invading an independent people and country.

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        2 years ago

        This is widely discredited. It’s weighted sampling with undisclosed weighting and draws from only people with landline telephones. The methodology is here.

        Furthermore, you get wildly different results from these surveys depending on how you ask the question. For example if you give people fixed choices you might get something like the above, but if you give people multiple choice by just listing a bunch of identities and letting people tick boxes with no inherent leading by presenting it as an independence question you get this, which is widely regarded as a less biased and more scientific approach:

        Obviously this is quite a split country on the topic, but it’s not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. And I think you should also keep in mind that an absolute majority are not for independence, they are for the status quo. 65% of people opposed Pelosi’s visit as well.