DeSantis is not better than trump. Is just as pretty and childish. He seems less volatile but equally dangerous. Let them know they are not wanted. If trump got boos from the start, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
Alright, hear me out, I hate him for how capricious he was but Christine is heads and shoulders above the rest of those clowns. He would actually be competent in the job.
I’m a new jerseyian and I’d never thought I’d be rooting for Christie but here we are. I would one hundred percent take him over any of the other republican candidates.
I’ve been saying for years Christie would have been far better than the other Republican options in the 2016 election. At the very least, in the past, he worked with Democrats to achieve things. Which, of course, is why he’d never get the support of the Republican party.
I recognize he’s not a good person, but of the Republican lot in that election, he was probably would have been the best President.
No one gives a fuck about DeSantis, including his base. The only relevant GOP candidate is Trump. It’s absolutely impossible anyone else wins the primary unless drops out, gets disqualified, or dies.
Could you imagine if he did die though. After all this shit, he just has a heart attack from eating too many Big Macs. That would be a hilarious conclusion to Trump’s shitty legacy.
It’s just Trump. None of the others in the primary are even close. There are really two things to be concerned about:
Enough people vote for Trump even though at this point he’s probably been sentenced, which I thinks is pretty unlikely given that he already lost to Biden and incumbents rarely lose. The ones that lost in the last 40 years have been Republicans.
Vivek. He’s enough of an outsider and flips like Simone Biles. He’s also the most reasonable counter to the primary argument against Biden - age. That said, in a general I really doubt he’s got a real shot.
Yeah, I think you’re right. He just over-performed in the last debate, and were republicans at all logically consistent he’d probably be their pick and I think he actually has a shot at winning over some independents and Dems that aren’t paying attention. That said, Republicans obviously aren’t consistent and that slipped my mind for a sec lol.
My prediction: Trump wins the nomination, and DeSantis starts his own party and siphons Republican votes, ala Ross Perot. (Or the reverse, Trump loses the nomination and starts his own party and siphons R votes.)
Indeed. He can’t seem to even stop fellating Trump at every turn. He’s not going to try to start his own party because there is no path to power there. The only thing that him starting a party would accomplish is ensuring Republican loss.
The ones that lost in the last 40 years have been Republicans.
Economy was doing well in 2012 and 1996. The economy is not doing well right now. The last time an incumbent Democrat ran for relection during an economic downturn was Carter.
You are also forgetting that the GOP has been hard at work the past few years making sure certain people are not going to be able to vote and even if they do that the state can override it.
I’m not forgetting that at all, I’m saying that they are so actually unpopular that even voter suppression they’ve done and continue to do will likely not be enough in the current conditions.
Also, in a traditional sense, we can’t really say the economy is not doing well. Record job growth/creation, record low unemployment, strong market, etc. The places the economy is not doing well are related to wealth inequality which is not solely, but primarily a result of republican trickle down policy for the last 40 years and them eroding the middle class at every turn.
At basically any other time, Biden’s presidency would be considered a rampant success, especially after the sheer destruction of the last admin. If he doesn’t coast to reelection, I’d probably blame that primarily on the amount of propaganda that starts at Fox and manages to propagate out.
Just be careful. It’s easy to see all of the political discourse occurring online and become convinced that they don’t stand a chance. Even in the last election, an incredibly concerning number of people still voted for Trump and will absolutely do so again.
Unless the man is disqualified, drops out, or dies, it’s still going to be a bitter fight just like 2020. We just have to pray that the tendency for middle of the aisle voters to flip flop every time the economy takes a downturn is reduced this time around given all of the controversy around Emperor Cheeto.
oh, on that front I 1000% agree. My main fear is that the narrative tanks Biden’s re-election and we end up with one of the fascists, and I guess the point is that we can’t continue to allow that type of thing to go unchecked and expect it not to. Unfortunately, it’s mostly narrative that decides elections rather than facts.
The problem with delighting in DeSantis’s humiliation is that there isn’t a Republican to root for in his place.
If DeSantis fails… we get Trump, or Vivek ramoswami, or Mike Pence, or Chris Christie, or any of these other ghouls.
FTFY
Hmm, should i have the fascist, or fascist-lite? Tough call…
They can all be booed.
DeSantis is not better than trump. Is just as pretty and childish. He seems less volatile but equally dangerous. Let them know they are not wanted. If trump got boos from the start, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
DeSantis is probably more dangerous than Trump because he’s smarter.
Alright, hear me out, I hate him for how capricious he was but Christine is heads and shoulders above the rest of those clowns. He would actually be competent in the job.
I’m a new jerseyian and I’d never thought I’d be rooting for Christie but here we are. I would one hundred percent take him over any of the other republican candidates.
I have some Jersey roots and I’m feeling the same… It’s amazing how remarkably terrible the GOP have become that Christie starts looking good.
He still doesn’t have a chance in hell…he’s not nearly as racist, bigoted, or Q’d up enough for the crazies that vote R.
I’ve been saying for years Christie would have been far better than the other Republican options in the 2016 election. At the very least, in the past, he worked with Democrats to achieve things. Which, of course, is why he’d never get the support of the Republican party.
I recognize he’s not a good person, but of the Republican lot in that election, he was probably would have been the best President.
He is a twice elected gop governor in a solid blue state. Anyone like Meatball Ron would have never gotten elected.
Because he is a RINO who made his career running things instead of fighting cultural war bullshit.
I still don’t want him as president.
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Yes. I trust Christie to at least hire/appoint people who are reasonably competent and weren’t just people he saw on TV
No one gives a fuck about DeSantis, including his base. The only relevant GOP candidate is Trump. It’s absolutely impossible anyone else wins the primary unless drops out, gets disqualified, or dies.
Could you imagine if he did die though. After all this shit, he just has a heart attack from eating too many Big Macs. That would be a hilarious conclusion to Trump’s shitty legacy.
Wow its almost like all republicans are ghouls.
It’s sad to me that Pence seems like a reasonable candidate in this list.
Pence enabled Trump’s presidency more than any of them. He was with Trump every step of the way until the very end.
His sole act of defiance was that he bravely … didn’t participate in a coup?!
And even after that he has pledged to support Trump for the presidency AGAIN even if Trump is convicted.
I didn’t say I liked him, but just that he’s not as bad as the other ones.
It’s just Trump. None of the others in the primary are even close. There are really two things to be concerned about:
Vivek isn’t a threat. No one likes him anywhere. Republicans hate him cuz he’s brown, no way he’ll win anything.
Yeah, I think you’re right. He just over-performed in the last debate, and were republicans at all logically consistent he’d probably be their pick and I think he actually has a shot at winning over some independents and Dems that aren’t paying attention. That said, Republicans obviously aren’t consistent and that slipped my mind for a sec lol.
My sister, who is a Millennial conservative, loves him.
I think he’s a “well, actually” guy with veneers.
That mental picture made me spill my coffee, too funny…
My prediction: Trump wins the nomination, and DeSantis starts his own party and siphons Republican votes, ala Ross Perot. (Or the reverse, Trump loses the nomination and starts his own party and siphons R votes.)
I can’t see it. He doesn’t have the balls to go on his own. He tries this and the party never forgets. Perot wasnt a politician.
Indeed. He can’t seem to even stop fellating Trump at every turn. He’s not going to try to start his own party because there is no path to power there. The only thing that him starting a party would accomplish is ensuring Republican loss.
Economy was doing well in 2012 and 1996. The economy is not doing well right now. The last time an incumbent Democrat ran for relection during an economic downturn was Carter.
You are also forgetting that the GOP has been hard at work the past few years making sure certain people are not going to be able to vote and even if they do that the state can override it.
I’m not forgetting that at all, I’m saying that they are so actually unpopular that even voter suppression they’ve done and continue to do will likely not be enough in the current conditions.
Also, in a traditional sense, we can’t really say the economy is not doing well. Record job growth/creation, record low unemployment, strong market, etc. The places the economy is not doing well are related to wealth inequality which is not solely, but primarily a result of republican trickle down policy for the last 40 years and them eroding the middle class at every turn.
At basically any other time, Biden’s presidency would be considered a rampant success, especially after the sheer destruction of the last admin. If he doesn’t coast to reelection, I’d probably blame that primarily on the amount of propaganda that starts at Fox and manages to propagate out.
Just be careful. It’s easy to see all of the political discourse occurring online and become convinced that they don’t stand a chance. Even in the last election, an incredibly concerning number of people still voted for Trump and will absolutely do so again.
Unless the man is disqualified, drops out, or dies, it’s still going to be a bitter fight just like 2020. We just have to pray that the tendency for middle of the aisle voters to flip flop every time the economy takes a downturn is reduced this time around given all of the controversy around Emperor Cheeto.
oh, on that front I 1000% agree. My main fear is that the narrative tanks Biden’s re-election and we end up with one of the fascists, and I guess the point is that we can’t continue to allow that type of thing to go unchecked and expect it not to. Unfortunately, it’s mostly narrative that decides elections rather than facts.
It is like getting better from some illness, you are just delaying the unavoidable but you still get to be happy for a while.
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I mean, you’ve got me curious. What is there to praise about him?
His foreign policy? Send him to a state dinner with a geopolitical adversary, and the dude will eat enough to bankrupt their military.