• verzyanim @beehaw.org
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    2 years ago

    I believe a similar sized list (scaled to the timelines) for all the failed Communist experiments from Central/East Europe, and Asia.

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      “Scaled to a timeline.”

      This is one of the wildest and scariest consequences of capitalism. The sheer volume of mass death under capitalism means nothing because life doesn’t matter to capitalism defenders. One just makes up 100’s of millions of deaths, declares an equivalence, and continues on down the line.

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        You disregard the capacity of humans being evil under every regime. I mean you can have a few good men wanting to create a nice Communist utopia, but eventually a lot of evil man will take the power and use it in their own advantages. Every Communist implementation suffered from the same problems. Not only that, but because most Communist implementations were authorian in nature, the corrupt leaders in power had more tools to be evil.

        People should become more enlightened and they will naturally desire communistic society. Until then, I guess we are stuck with this.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          Humans act in a way that makes sense for them to act given the systemic pressures they’re exposed to. This is exact same process as natural selection that drives evolution. The system selects for certain types of behaviors that are successful within the system. Bad things will happen in any human society, but the general direction of society is what matters.

          Change happens because people make it happen not because they wait for the society to become magically enlightened.

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            Well, without a magically enlightenment any communism implementation will fail again and again, repeating the same failures of the past. Some people are arrogant or naive enough they will do a better, everlasting communism if they had the chance. History shows us the degradation of the initial values will follow. That’s my opinion.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              2 years ago

              Go read up on socialist countries like China, Vietnam, and Cuba. This isn’t a hypothetical discussion, socialist countries exist and they work a lot better than capitalist ones.