Looking for info to disprove this stigma, I don’t really have much other than one academic research paper I found but I don’t think if the guy I’m arguing with would be willing to sit through and read that. He dismissed it as queer theory which he says has been “debunked” idk what the hell queer theory is. Anyway from what I can tell with this dude the simple and more obvious the better but it must also be backed by peer reviewed research
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That’s not how the burden of proof works. He made a claim. You question it. Now he must provide evidence.
I started the argument and made the claim that this association is bullshit because I once heard him say something along the lines of “homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles”
Maybe this seems like semantics, but bringing someone’s previous claim up is not exactly the same as making your own claim. “X is bullshit” and “I have not seen any convincing evidence of X” mean the same thing.
youre not going to find studies on it because it’s horseshit that is completely made up
Well yes but it’s hard to argue with someone and win by just calling their argument horseshit yk?
That sounds shitty so I’m amending that, I’m not looking to “win” I want to change his beliefs and fortunately I’ve found that he is sometimes the type to do so
If you really want to treat it as a debate, they are the ones that need to prove their claim. Until they do, you’re well within your rights to just tell them they’re making it up. But in general, I think conversation with someone that equivocates all queer people with groomers isn’t gonna help anyone.
He isn’t that far gone, he isn’t saying all queers want your kids but unfortunately he is saying that pedophilia is more common among queers. It’s frustrating because he says this to me, a queer and expects me to just roll with it? It’s also frustrating because hes bi
Then tell him to stop shoveling his internalized homophobia out. Ask him where he learned about it and see what empty, hollow response you get.
He is most likely hiding other reactionary beliefs since the one he picked right now is pretty crypto-fascist.
Just flip it around and point out that pedophilia is rampant among affluent cishet white guys to the extent that American culture for most of the 20th century heavily involved sexualizing young girls and normalizing middle aged men preying on them to the point that until relatively recently “suburban dad molests the babysitter” was a comedy trope. Point out that all the opposition to raising legal marriage ages come from white evangelical groups whose entire culture revolves around giving old men child brides.
The entire anti-lgbt thrust is just evangelicals and affluent cishet libertines projecting their own crimes onto their enemies even as they openly do the creepiest shit imaginable.
Unfortunately those labels don’t apply to him really, he’s Hispanic (second gen), previously heavily impoverished, and bi. He hates those groups as much as I do
What she said before still stands - not only is old man molesting young woman an trope, but who was Epstine trafficking young girls for? For fuck sake, how many more “daddy/stepdaughter” porns are there vs “daddy/stepson” porn? Fueled by Heterosexual desire for young girls.
Tell him to face the wall. There is no point in arguing with this dude
Unfortunately he’s not just some random chud, it’s a friend of mine who I’ve watched fall further and further down the finance bro grind pipeline
Then I’m sorry for your loss, genuinely. You have to consider, even being friends, if he cares about your opinion at all or if he just sees you as a lib captive audience to troll. Ultimately it’s not your responsibility to fix him and you shouldn’t feel bad if you can’t.
you’re gonna have to look back to reporting on satanic panic, aids hysteria, war on drugs etc to see that it’s the same argument around stealing/indoctrinating/brainwashing children. Homos are paedos because your child might be gay. Drug dealers are recruiting child runners and soldiers. Also all of this is satanic and organized.
I’ve seen conspiratorial criticism of queer theory insofar as attacking the academics ‘promoting’ it or whatever but I’m not super interested tbh, I’m not advocating for Foucault or whoever else to fuck teenagers I’m trying to live my life lmao
He dismissed it as queer theory which he says has been “debunked”
My understanding is that queer theory is critically analyzing things (such as media or societal structures and norms) through a queer lense. I don’t see how that can be “debunked”. By debunked, he probably meant conservatives have started calling it woke.
I would guess that the study you found wasn’t actually within the field of queer theory if it was about comparing figures and not about critical analysis.
It was focused on critical analysis
lgbpsychology
drop the t sus amogus
🤨 I didn’t even notice, fuck me
I mean i haven’t looked at the rest of the site but that page at least seems fine tbh. It could well be an anachronism given the page layout lol.
I looked at the front page, and the first thing that stuck out was the 2000s web design aesthetics and color scheme. His blog also ended in 2017, which I think may have been before LGB was adopted by transphobes. One of his last blog posts was about the Pulse nightclub shootings where he uses LGBT and mentions trans kids becoming " the focus of a newly revived culture war" in a section about discrimination against queer people.
I think it’s safe to assume there was no malicious intent behind his choice of words. He seems to focus on things from a queer cis perspective, so maybe he felt it was better not claim any expertise on trans issues.
It’s critically analyzing claims people make. I don’t think that falls under queer theory, just as debunking a factually incorrect claim doesn’t fall under critical theory.
It sounds like he just wants to dismiss it. Is still be interested in knowing how queer theory has been debunked. I don’t see how you can debunk an entire field of academics. There are plenty of valid criticisms of modern economics, and although I would consider many of them to be accurate, I would never claim that economics has been debunked.
Idk man he didn’t elaborate and I didn’t know enough about it to ask him to
CW gender dysphoria and suicide
Information regarding the relationship between childhood gender affirming care and depression/suicide rates as well as detransition rates and post op regret is much appreciated
detrans is something like 1-2%, and surgical regret is about the same, if not an order of magnitude lower still
Suicide is something like 40% in (all?) trans people and significantly higher if left untreated.
If I remember correctly it’s 40% with untreated trans people, and with those who have gone through any sort of transitioning it drops to a number that’s basically the same as the population at large.
Thanks! It can be hard keeping all the relevant numbers in your head, harder still to keep them in the right order.
Turns out, social acceptance and support saves lives. Who knew?
Turns out, social acceptance and support saves lives. Who knew?
Yeah it’s a real mystery lol
Fortunately that stat is bullshit, it originated in a small study, in some Scandinavian country I think, where there was a follow-up phone call afterwards and 41% of the participants didn’t pick up. I believe it was specifically 4chan that picked that number up, interpreted it the worst way possible on purpose and spread it around everywhere.
Have you considered sending him the Hexbear conduct code.
It shall be done
we would only be able to determine this based on crime rates. lets look at the UK. there are only 230 trans people in English and Welsh prisons. assuming transness is at a rate of 0.7% (conservative estimate, generally the case in every country more or less) there are roughly 417,494 trans people in England and Wales. this means crime leading to the imprisoning of trans people is 55 per 100,000.
according to the UK parliament, there are 159 prisoners per 100,000 in England and Wales. So we can determine that trans people are 2.89x less likely to commit crimes in these areas, assuming that the trans population is low. If the trans population is higher, say 1-2%, then trans people do even less crime. It should also be mentioned that the number of trans prisoners fluctuates wildly, in 2017, it was at only 70 trans prisoners. In March 2022, it was 230. the UK, afaik, has been the only country to publish the number of trans people in prison, so its hard to guess what other countries are like.
scotland has said that only 1 out of its 11 trans prisoners has done SV. there are articles that claim 42% of trans inmates in english prisons have convicted sex crimes, but they do not site any official numbers for convictions, only wards that happen contain trans people. it should be noted that lgbt people tend to get separated into unusual wards due to harassment by the larger prison body. scotland was the only one to specifically call out one trans person as ever doing a sex crime.
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