• Eheran@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    If they actually want to commit genocide, why are they telling the population to leave the dangerous areas, perform roof knocking, etc.?

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      They told like half of Gaza to clear out in 24 hours, that’s well over a million people, it’s literally impossible to accomplish that. It’s to get deniability when killing civilians.

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      1 year ago

      Telling them to leave, but not actually letting them go…

      Telling them to go to bomb shelters that don’t actually exist…

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        Who is not letting them go to south Gaza? Certainly not Israel. Hamas does actually, because more victims are what they want, since it gives them more power.

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          Have you never seen a disaster movie? Have you never been stuck in traffic on a holiday weekend where lots of people are traveling? I can’t imagine how it’s possible that you think a million people are just going to pack up and move, all at once, in a 24 hour window, like that is in anyway a reasonable request. Especially after these people were cut off from from food, water, and fuel (you know, the stuff you need for traveling) almost a week ago. And have all those people go to an area where there isn’t space, and still no food, water, or electricity. Common guy really?

          Israel is not operating in good faith, that is abundantly clear. This warning is just for the record, so that after Israel commits genocide they can point to that warning and say it’s the civilians fault for not leaving like we told them too.

          Your probably right about Hamas motives. Fine. But what your ignoring is that the Israeli government views all Palestinians as subhuman, and they intend to exact revenge on all of the people. Hamas and Israel are both happy with Palestinian civilian casualties, but for different reasons. The only differences between them is one side basically admits it’s a terrorist organization, while the other side benefits from the political and military support of the west, as well as people like you who are eager to make excuses for outright genocide. Remember, where here in the comments on an article about Israel using white phosphorus in a populated area which is a fucking war crime.

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            I don’t know if they see them as sub human. What makes you think so? They know they are going to kill some, especially given how Hamas uses them as meat shields, and they are obviously accepting that. They still try to minimize the number with roof knocking etc.

            That they accept civilian casualties should be the topic of the discussion, not black and white nonsense like everywhere. If we look at history, the same happened in Germany in WW2. How to defeat such terrorists / evil states? Is it possible without killing innocent people? Holy fuck this is not something simple.

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      Well, you generally don’t declare to the world you’re doing genocide. You ask for forgiveness, not permission.

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        That was not what I was asking. They avoid killing them quite a bit, given the circumstances. Why would they do that if their goal was genocide?

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          Look up what plausible deniability is. The goal is genocide, but they can’t just do genocide without pissing off the world. So they basically imprison 2.2 million people in a space the size of Seattle, destroy entire buildings, shoot unarmed people in Palestinian territory, bulldoze Palestinian homes or outright take them and give them to Israeli settlers. This naturally pisses people off. Hamas fires rockets in response. Israel blows even more shit up in response. They perpetuate the cycle put into motion when the UK stole Palestinian land and gave it to Israel.

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            Let’s not get the sequence of events wrong. Israel faced existential threads from day one of declaring independence, where the surrounding states immediately attacked. There was and is no compromise for Palestine, they want to destroy Israel. That is their official goal, not some secret or conspiracy.

            Palestine is not a prison because they are super nice people and Israel is evil. The issue is terrorism. Israel needs to deal with it some way. You can argue that there are better ways, certainly. And that Israel is doing a crap job, like US prisons.

            What is Israel supposed to do now? What would your plan be? More than one out of every 10’000 of your fellow people just got murdered. That’s like 46’000 people if it were the USA. That is the scale.

            If we look at history, for example Nazis, do you think it was right to bomb Germany to the ground?

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          Well, you generally don’t declare to the world you’re doing genocide. You ask for forgiveness, not permission.

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      They told people to gather in the city center, and then they bombed the city center

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      Telling people to leave when there is nowhere to go, Egypt is refusing to open their border and I doubt Israel is going to open theirs, isn’t not wanting to commit genocide: it’s a way to save face, to say “well they didn’t evacuate so it’s their problem.”