• MxM111@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    While I think we give enough military help to Israel, so that it is strange to give more, implying that it is only their making, and absolving Hamas from responsibility is intellectually dishonest. From 2005 Gaza was not occupied by Israel, in fact, Israel removed forcefully Jewish settlements around that time. And Hamas came to power (2006?) forcefully removing all political opponents, and has literal destruction of Israel as their main policy openly for years. It conducted many terrorist acts, including the latest horrific act. But no, it is of course only Israeli doing.

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      If not for the atrocities of Israel, the atrocious Hamas would not exist. You can try and bothsides away the oppression and genocide all you want, but that’s an indisputable fact.

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      1 year ago

      Ok you’re right let’s also give Hamas $0 so it’s fair.

      Hint: that’s already how much we have given them.

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        Iran helps them a lot.

        And why should we give the same amount. One is more or less democratic state. Another is jihadist terrorist organization whose goals are to destroy the democratic state. You claiming moral equality here somehow? Sorry, does not work for me.

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          So you realize how that’s worse, right? You think it’s better for a democratic state to be committing Genocide? That’s saying you’re cool with it because the people voted for Genocide. How is that something we should give money to?

          Both want to destroy each other. They’re both fucked. We should not be giving money to either group committing war crimes. We can support the civilians caught in the middle, that is great. We could do something to attempt to stop the war crimes such as maybe stop the concentration camps that are being leveled by bombs, but that would take convincing Israel to stop stealing land which is like convincing Russia to stop stealing land.

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            There are a lot I can things criticize Israel for, but genocide in Gaza is not. I can not call their past actions or present actions as genocide. Israel is in horrible situation now and has to choose within availabile options which vary from horrible to absolutely horrible. Israel can not just not react to what was done to it, but ANY reaction is called genocide by many of its critics for the sake of either propaganda or simply not being intellectually honest and objective about the situation.

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            1 year ago

            Ask Hamas who canceled elections in Gaza. Israeli Arabs vote and have representation in the parliament.