• Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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    The reason is right there in the article, but glossed over. Th US UN Ambassador complained of no inclusion of Israel’s right to defense. This is a reference to Article 51 of the UN Charter which reads:

    Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

    Basic stuff.

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      Obviously, all those other countries can’t read and didn’t know what they were voting on. Was it all an elaborate plan to make the US look bad on the world stage? Or maybe America just throws it’s weight around and does what it wants. Then, justifies it after the fact. Kind of like your comment. Basic stuff.

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        Obviously every country deserves the rights in the UN Charter except for Israel is closer to what you mean.

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          The bombing and forced migration of a captive civilian population is not self defense. It is the textbook definition of genocide.

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            How would you deal with Hamas? I know what you don’t want to do, but what would you do given Hamas uses human shields. Would you try to get those shields to move?

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              Maybe improve the the material conditions of the average Palestinian with an influx of money to make Hamas obsolete?

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              I would understand that Hamas is a symptom of the repression and poverty of Palestinians, and endeavour towards a diplomatic two state solution.

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                  Hamas and al Qaeda are not equivalent. One is the democratically represented governent of a people. However unpalatable their motives, they must be taken seriously, because they are the only game in town. Ignoring them, as Israel and the Western governments have, will lead them resorting to violence to be heard.

                  Al Qaeda are fringe radicals committed to religious war. They will always choose violence, and there is no point negotiating with them.

                  Conflating the two is a mistake, rooted in ignorance.

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                The article refers to Article 51 of the UN charter, which I quoted. You don’t seem to think it matters. To member nations of the UN it matters very much. Why wasn’t article 51 included? Because it is a right denied by those that wrote theproposal.

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                  I get what you’re saying now. And I think it wasn’t included because the resolution deals with humanitarian aid not _self defense _ . The fact that it wasn’t included is just an excuse for the US to vote no. Why didn’t the US introduce a new resolution with that language included? Because it gives them plausible deniability.

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                    It doesn’t work that way. You can’t ask for a pause once Article 51 is invoked, and it was. It’s not up to the US to write proper declarations for others. I don’t see them denying anything, they in essence vetoed it.

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                    @TokenBoomer I agree with this. As well as being a bit off topic, quoting chapter and verse of the UN charter in every resolution would be redundant.

                    It’s already in the charter.

                    It’s not normally a requisite for resolutions and making it an excuse not to sign seems disingenuous to me.